TRENBOLONE 101: All About Tren Ace

Trenbolone acetate (Tren Ace) is the absolute most bang for your buck you will find in the world of steroids.

There is no water retention, it doesn’t convert to estrogen, and it has cortisol lowering effects to it (which can definitely help with fat loss and growth, since cortisol is the enemy).

Trenbolone (aka Trienolone or Trienbolone) is a hormone that started out for cattle to increase mass in a very short time frame before they went to the slaughter house (given to them about 60 days prior to slaughter).

So you can imagine this is pretty powerful stuff right here.

Although I no longer use Tren, I must say that if I was going to prepare for another bodybuilding event I’d use it again.

[Disclaimer: John Doe Bodybuilding is not advising anyone use ANY illegal or possibly dangerous hormones or substances under any circumstances UNLESS it is under a doctor’s strict supervision.]

Finaplix: Before there was Trenbolone

Tren was pretty much unheard of until the mid-late 90’s.

Guys used to make homemade Trenbolone.

They’d use these cattle implants and heat them up in a spoon over an open flame, draw the shit right up into a needle and inject it.

I’ve even heard of morons who used a cattle implant gun and shot them into their asses back in the day. Then came the fina conversion kits.

Someone figured out that you can dilute the pellets down with benzyl alcohol and benzyl benzoate, run the solution through a coffee filter or syringe filter, throw it in a vial, and wallah you had homemade Trenbolone.

It was called Finaplix and it worked extremely fucking well!

I used to do these conversions all the time [allegedly]. Finaplix was cheap and easy and I always got great results from Fina.

I never see this around anymore, I don’t even know if they still sell the implants. The last time I looked I had trouble locating them.

Trenbolone Acetate vs Trenbolone Enanthate

Back when I was using Tren I preferred Trenbolone acetate over Trenbolone Enanthate. I’ve gotten reports from many guys who also prefer Tren Ace versus Tren E.

The biggest reason I preferred Tren acetate was simple… it seemed more manageable and I didn’t feel as bad on it.

Trenbolone can often make you feel ill. It’s probably the most popular steroid today because it’s truly the most bang for your buck. But it doesn’t come without side effects.

Night sweats, decreased cardio ability, irritability, and major stress on the body are just some of the side effects of Trenbolone. But one thing is for certain…the shit definitely works and is rarely faked!

Trenbolone Acetate

trenbolone acetate

The best steroid bang for your buck?

Trenbolone acetate vs Trenbolone Enanthate would be the same thing as comparing testosterone prop (a short ester) to testosterone enanthate (a longer acting ester).

You can get by with injecting Trenbolone Enanthate once every 5-7 days, where Trenbolone acetate at minimum needs to be shot on Mon/Wed/Fri, but most go at least every other day with it.

The biggest reason I could see Trenbolone Acetate being superior to Trenbolone Enanthate is that more of the ester begins unraveling before it’s reintroduced again. Tren E just felt like it sat there and the side effects seemed worse to me.

With any faster ester you’re going to get more of the total mg’s absorbed by the body, since it doesn’t take as long to break down and more of the hormone gets absorbed before the de-esterification process.

So to put it short and sweet, Trenbolone Acetate versus Trenbolone Enanthate? I’d go Tren Acetate every time! Take it from someone who has been there and done it.

Trenbolone side effects

Tren makes you aggressive, and I don’t give a shit who say’s what to defend it.

Tren makes you edgy, period. I’m not saying it’s something you can’t control, but it was there for me every time I had ever used it.

Out of anything I have ever used (which is pretty much 80% of steroids readily available to bodybuilders) Tren made me the edgiest. HOWEVER, it also helped me look my best.

Tren is harsh on the body, harsh on the prostate, harsh on the lungs, and harsh on your sleep, but there is no other product (in my honest opinion) that does what Tren does, and does it as cheaply.

Cardio function can also be slightly impacted as breathing seems a little shallower when taking Tren, but this was nothing that kept me from doing cardio or having decent workouts. Maybe I noticed it a little bit, but it was really nothing.

But then again, I never abused this stuff and I stuck to mostly 300 mg/week dosing.

Some users may experience a “Tren cough” where you experience uncontrollable coughing for a few minutes post injection, but this is a very small percentage of people using Tren.

Trenbolone Acetate Dosage: How much Tren Ace should you use?

I have went as high as 600 mg/week before, and I will tell you that side effects became much worse with no added benefit for me.

I’d stick to 300 mg/week.

Most of your Tren is going to either be 75 mg/ml or come as 100 mg/ml.

Therefore you will be using 3 cc’s/week and each vial will get you 3.3 weeks.

Watch out for Tren cough!

Trenbolone Acetate Injection Schedule

I used to inject Tren on a Mon/Wed/Fri schedule.

Every place you read wants to tell you to use it every day, but I had zero issues with sticking to a 3 times/week injection pattern with Tren.

Trenbolone Cycle

You want to use Tren around 6-8 weeks per cycle, so you’re going to need 2 vials of it, possibly 3.

Tren is not to be used alone, as the side effects are undesirable enough with testosterone, without test and it’d be a nightmare.

I could see severe depression being a big side of Tren with no test in the mix.

At this point my cycles are pretty much limited to Primobolan, Masteron, Test, Deca, EQ, Anavar.

But does 500 mg/week of Primobolan outperform 500 mg/week of Tren? Fuck no, but it costs 5 times more money than Tren.

I’d be willing to bet that about 90% of bodybuilding competitors who use steroids in this day have Tren somewhere in their pre-contest cycle.

You just cannot find anything more cost efficient than does what Tren does.

Trenbolone Cycle Results

One cycle I ran for a competition that stands out to me was 300 mg/week Tren, 300 mg/week test prop, and 300 mg/week oil based Winstrol for 8 weeks.

I looked absolutely SICK from that cycle! I was harder than nails, vascular as hell, and pumped looking.

That cycle was probably half of the amount of gear I would normally use for a competition, and I looked worlds apart from previous contest prep!

Why don’t I use Tren anymore you may ask? Well, not trying to sound like an old man here, but it’s just too harsh on my body now.

I don’t handle the Trenbolone side effects as well anymore, and my goals are a little different than what they used to be.

I’m still tempted to want to use Tren again, because I know what it does for my physique.

If I compete again I’m not going to lie, I’d use it.

Trenbolone is that powerful and it just gets results.

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Over and out!

– John

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105 thoughts on “TRENBOLONE 101: All About Tren Ace”

  1. Hey John, great write up.

    I’d never use tren since the side effects can be so harsh, but it’d be interesting to know, how much does a cycle of tren cost? Just to get the idea, since you say that trenbolone is the cheapest of them all :)

  2. John
    I sent you an email with some questions last week to your private email (since I read and bought your book in the first day it came out). I wanna know if you received it or no!
    Thanks in advance

  3. Tren ace is by far the best compound period. It does more than any other AAS. Pre contest is when i would use tren ace. At 100mg every other day or 225-300mg a week. It will put on lean mass and help with fat loss. I personally dont believe that doing more than 100mg EOD is better. I believe you can still hold a light layer of water from it. Some test prop, masteron, tren ace and anavar or winny tabs and you got a lean, crisp physique in 8-10 weeks. With correct diet and training ofcourse.

  4. Hey Brother, my friend is starting a new cycle and I think you are the best one to ask opinions from. He has been on AAS for about six years.

    He is 6′ 245lbs with 44″ waste.
    His goal is to get down to 215 by the end of January.

    His cycle is 300mg test p/wk, 300mg tren a/week, and 50mg winny ed.

    I undrstand

    He plans on working out 5 days/wk.

    Do you have a recommended workout regimen for him?

  5. For first time cycle would you recommend tren or clen?

    Im at 15% BF atm, but mostly in the stomach region and been dieting for 3 months. Down from 18%, butcant get past 15.

    Any recommendations

    • Neither, for a first cycle test only with a solid diet. I’d also consider an OTC fat burner or the ACE stack(aspirin, caffeine, ephedrine) I’m not a fan of clenbuterol unless its the last 6-8 wks before a competition. Its just not good for your heart and not worth it

      • Which type of test would you recommend?

        Test Prop or Test E?

        I posted on your other article about using Test Prop and Equi. Would you say to use that OR to use just Test and which type?

        Previous Post

        Hey Joe,

        Awesome forum you make it so clear and simple where others use such technical jargon.

        Ok I’ve been thinking about trying roids since I was 19. I read up and decided to wait. I’m 23 now and hit most of my peaks.

        Age :23
        Height. 1.84m
        Weight :90kgs
        Bf: 15 I know it’s a bit high
        Training : 4 years
        Been training hard and Natural for 4 years, specifically on strength training this last year. My strength is up and size Okay.
        Was around 18% bf 3 months ago down to 15 but struggling to get past that and been dieting as well as I can.

        The guy at the supplement store recommended this for me for the next 8 weeks
        Test p 100mg
        Equi 250mg

        Nova and clomid pct.

        I’m going away so need the pct with me as no chance of finding that stuff where I’m going.

        I want some size out of my cycle but also to drop bf and see more definition.
        Was thinking about TREN but he said for first time user that’s silly.
        Is equi the same as clen?
        What would you recommend?

        Most of my BF is in the stomach region and I do want to get beach ready for now but I wont say no to size..

        • I’d just use test e OR test cyp, they are similar and don’t need to be injected as frequently as prop. It’s all about the diet really. I’d save the EQ and prop for a second cycle. Your first cycle should be a single compound, and get everything you can out of that first. 500mg/wk test enanthate or test cyp only

          • Hey Joe,

            Thanks for the advice.

            Test E or Test C?

            Also someone was saying Test Prop?

            Also would I need AI’s with it? Thinking cloma and Nova?

  6. Option 2. Long Ester

    Wk 1-12 Testosterone Enanthate = 250mg twice/wk e3.5d
    Wk 1-12 Aromasin 12.5mg ED MIN- monitor and adjust accordingly.
    Wk 1-14.5 hCG = 250iu twice/wk – day before test injection.

    Begins wk 15 to wk 19

    Clomid 75/50/50/50
    Nolva 40/20/20/20

    *Note: If youre currently on TRT/HRT you skip PCT and simply return to your dosing protocol

    Option 3. Short Ester

    Wk 1-8 Testosterone Propionate = 150mg eod.
    Wk 1-8 Aromasin 12.5mg ED MIN – monitor and adjust accordingly.
    Wk 1-8 hCG = 250iu twice/wk day.

    Begins wk 9 to wk 13

    Clomid 75/50/50/50
    Nolva 40/20/20/20

    *Note: If youre currently on TRT/HRT you skip PCT and simply return to your dosing protocol

  7. Thanks for all advice you are such a help!

    But need some extra help on 3 things:

    I can only run an injectable cycle for 8 weeks, going cross border so bit difficult to transfer vials and find doctors etc..

    1. Would you recommend to run Test prop or Test E? I know Prop is shorter so 8 weeks could work? But E better for beginners?
    2. What AI and SERM would you recommend ? Are they necessary? Was thinking Aromasin and hcG?
    3. Which of the two options below would you recommend? I am a beginner.


    Option 2. Long Ester

    Wk 1-12 Testosterone Enanthate = 250mg twice/wk e3.5d
    Wk 1-12 Aromasin 12.5mg ED MIN- monitor and adjust accordingly.
    Wk 1-14.5 hCG = 250iu twice/wk – day before test injection.

    Begins wk 15 to wk 19

    Clomid 75/50/50/50
    Nolva 40/20/20/20

    Option 3. Short Ester

    Wk 1-8 Testosterone Propionate = 150mg eod.
    Wk 1-8 Aromasin 12.5mg ED MIN – monitor and adjust accordingly.
    Wk 1-8 hCG = 250iu twice/wk day.

    Begins wk 9 to wk 13

    Clomid 75/50/50/50
    Nolva 40/20/20/20

    • If you can only do 8 wks then go with either 500mg wk of test e or 150mg EOD prop. It sounds like you’ve done your homework because those cycles and pct is spot on!! On the hcg you.could use throughout like you have listed or 2 wks following. The biggest reason I talk about hcg post cycle is because it doesn’t go bad and you aren’t loading as many needles. But in a perfect world 500iu per wk is better

      • Okay awesome. So do I need 500mg of Test E twice a week? Or 250mg twice a week = 500mg?

        Was thinking that I try keep of HCG for as long as possible and if sides appear then jump on it but will get some?

          • Hey John,

            So read up on your site and found this comment so decided to go for Tesp P, but twice a week injecting.

            Just finished my second week got a couple questions:

            Shots 1-3 – 0.50 ml of 100mg Test P
            Shots 4-6 – 0.75 ml of Test P
            After week 3 was planning on upping to 1ml of 100mg Test P – do you think this is too little?

            I have been injecting twice a week Monday and Thursday so far, but should I up to 3 times?

            What do you recommend?

            PS been injecting into my glutes… is it supposed to be painful the next 2 days?

  8. Hey John,

    So read up on your site and found this comment so decided to go for Tesp P, but twice a week injecting.

    Just finished my second week got a couple questions:

    Shots 1-3 – 0.50 ml of 100mg Test P
    Shots 4-6 – 0.75 ml of Test P
    After week 3 was planning on upping to 1ml of 100mg Test P – do you think this is too little?

    I have been injecting twice a week Monday and Thursday so far, but should I up to 3 times?

    What do you recommend?

    PS been injecting into my glutes… is it supposed to be painful the next 2 days?

    • prop can be painful, yes. Some people cannot tolerate prop at all, but it’s rare to get one that doesn’t smart a little more than a normal shot. I tried going twice/wk with it a long time ago, and I got the worst case of acne on my back. I had to go to a dermatologist and get prescribed 3 different meds to clear it up. I would go Mon/Wed/Fri with it at minimum. I’d up it to 100mg 3x/wk

      • Dear Jon,

        I pinned my left glute on Wednesday for the second time this cycle but at 1cc of test prop.

        However it has swollen up and is quite uncomfortable.

        Any recommendations? What must I do tomorrow? Should I still pin? If it’s an infection can I take antibiotics and carry on my cycle?

        • Prop has a tendency to cause pain, but there is a difference between post injection pain and infection. If the area is hot to the touch and bumped out it’s infected. If it’s just sore it’s post injection pain. Sometimes you can just have a bad shot also, like you just shot in a bad spot or got near a nerve or something. Today is only Friday, so not too big a deal yet. If it doesn’t get better in next couple days then my advice is to take some tetracycline. If you don’t want to go to a Doctor then you can buy it as a store that sells fish aquarium supplies. I believe the tabs are 500mg/each. Take a couple tabs a day for a few days and it should make it subside. If every shot causes a hot painful lump then I’d throw the shit in the trash, it’s not worth it. Some people just can’t handle test prop, keep this in mind as well. If the prop is a normal 100mg/ml dose then it should cause a little pain but nothing too bad. Once you get into the 200mg/ml stuff it can cripple you. I wouldn’t do over 100mg/ shot either, in any event. Good luck

  9. Okay so I went for test prop for my first cycle. Seen some solid gains. However I misjudged how much I needed and I have about 1.5ml left so about two shots, shooting 3 times a week so until Monday.

    I’ve just ordered some more from naps – anyone know if they are good?

    Question is if I take the next two shots and my stuff comes in two weeks so I skip two shots what will happen?

    Or is it best to try make these two last for next week and not shoot today?

  10. Yeah tren rips. If you can manage the sides, its untouchable. i cant handle the sides anymore. I just blast test with a little masteron. Good stuff John!

  11. I have to disagree with all this talk about the terrible side effects of tren the aggression of tren that absolutely everyone gets. Idk if I’m just lucky or one of the few (I doubt it) but I really don’t think tren is all that harsh. I have used tren for quite a long time on and off ofcourse. I’ve ran anywhere between 50 and 100 mg ed injects. I also disagree with three injections of tren a week to be enough. I just don’t see how that could possibly keep blood levels stable and may be your problem as far as sides. Have you ever injected tren ed? Maybe u should try it. I have tried it many ways and i can tell you for me Atleast if I run 75 mg ed I get no night sweats no insomnia no negative sides at all really to speak of!! Only side I experience is occasional tren cough after inject and decrease in cardio slightly. That’s it. I lose absolutely NO sleep at night I don’t get sweats and no aggression. Im almost convinced I’m less aggressive while on tren if anything! I’m sure my wife could attest to this!! I feel amazing while on it and gotta 24/7 hardon!!! Ofcourse I always add a little test prop in there usually at 50mg day. So if anyone wanna give it a go I would suggest low test high tren ed injects. Might not work for everyone but I can say without a doubt for me it works and works amazingly well!! This is just my personal experience not tryin to tell anyone what to do and not trying undercut anyone else’s knowledge or experience. Take it or leave it. :) One more thing, I can say when I was doing eod injects I did get a couple more sides but soon as I went to ed they disappeared and I never looked back. But like I said I have most likely no where near the experience or knowledge that the author of this article has so take my advice with a grain of salt, but it worked for me.. Peace out everyone.

  12. Hi
    Read your articles an find them very good
    I would like to know your opinion on how to get the best of sustanon 250 what I mean by that is pinning schedule and dosage I am planing to stack it with tren a and winstrol

    • gotta go at least twice/wk with it, although most guys go 3x/wk due to the propionate ester in there being fast acting. I’d go either 2x/wk spaced out or mon/wed/fri with it

  13. So I’m thinking of doing tren
    Tren a 300mg a week. 1-8
    Sustanon 250mg a week. 1-10
    My question is do I need hcg or will clomid be enough?

    • Im about to run a cycle identical to this, i was going to run sust at 500 mgs a week though, i think it might be too much test as they use the same receptors as tren? would anyone advise me as to how much sust to run on a tren ace sust 250 cycle, just fine tuning my dosage, thanks guys. i have the option to run just test e or prop as well, let me know your input

  14. Hey John, love your stuff.

    I’ve been everywhere on the Internet and i can’t seem to find a legit answer to this question.

    I’m 39, 6’1″, and roughly 20% body fat at 225 lbs. Down from 290 a couple years ago.

    I have been on Dr prescribed trt 200mg cyp/week for well over a year and everything is dialed in nicely as confirmed by regular bloods.

    Would you advise me against the 300mg/week tren ace cycle, and if so why.

    I am REALLY considering this cycle, but everything I’ve read on the bodybuilding forums is negative. Evidently I’m considered way too fat for a cycle. Especially tren. I bust ass in the gym and can run a 7 min mile (even with really fucked up old man hamstrings). Oh, and I have zero blood pressure issues. I’m in perfect health really.

    Your time answering my question is greatly appreciated.

    • Get leaner first, tren manageable on 300mg a week bit it’ll still fuck with ya. If it were me I’d use something like deca instread. I just didn’t feel good on tren and stayed irritable

  15. Hey man I did one cc of trenbolone today and am totally fine not freaking out or anything Ive just decided I’d like to wait. I’m 26 years old and think it’s not something I wanna do. Anyways will I need to do pct for just that one cc if I stop now? Any info is greatly appreciated.

  16. Hi john

    Just got my test .tren .proviron.
    Test cyp 250mg
    Tren blend 150. 125mg en; 25mg ace.
    25mg proviron.

    My plans is 1ml or each a week and 50mg proviron a day.

    Would i see good results will be for 10weeks.

  17. John what do you think if I added tren to this cycle
    Test e 500mg
    300-500 iu HCG every 4-5 days
    Winstrol 50 mg a day
    Dianabol 20 mg a day

    This is a 9 week mass cycle for me

    • too toxic for me, especially with Dbol and Winstrol in the same cycle, which why you’re using winstrol for a mass cycle at 50mg/day is questionable to me in the first place. I’d take out the winny and replace with tren if anything

  18. Hey JD, awesome information and it is true that pound for pound it is the most cost effective one out.

    When are you going to run MENT and provide your results and a base protocol with PCT =? Since it is so new your experience would shed a light on what new info is out and comparisons always help. I always look to you for advice on these matters since there are is much conflicting information. Thank you sir

  19. I’m sry, so much info and I’m new. Is it possible to have a 1 on 1 convo with you. Maybe via email before I do something stupid?

  20. I am about to run a cycle of tren ace, At first I was going to do a sust 250 at 500 mg a week with tren ace ed, but now im beginning to dislike my initial cycle plan. I have test prop and test e on hand as well so i am not limited to the sust for my test. It seems that it makes more sense to run a lower dose of test with tren and let the tren do the work? i have enough of each to run any kind of cycle i want, let me know wht you guys think on which ester i should use for my test in this cycle, thanks alot any input is appreciated. not my first cycle, ive ran some tren e in past cycles but not enough to make any diffference as i only had one vial. Im trying to build a solid tren and test cycle and i want my levels as stable as possible, im not opposed to pinning every day.

  21. Hello sir..i have a quick a trenbolone mix blend 200mg/ml..75mg ace..75mg hex..and 50mg enth..what would you recommend as far as how often to pin..i wouldnt imagine e.o.d. since it has 3 different esters..thanks for any feedback

  22. Hi John,
    I’m getting ready to run my third tren cycle and was curious about test doses. I’ve ready a free articles that suggest running the test at trt dose of around 100 mg a week. Which keeps your test at a functional level while the tren acts as the main muscle building compound. Any thoughts on this? I would be running 400 mg of tren E. And 60 mg (Ed) of anavar with the test. Thanks in advance!

    • You’re going to be one miserable son of a bitch running 400mg/wk of tren and only 100mg/wk test. I would at least go 200/wk on test

  23. Hi JD! Long time reader, just got a query about a planned cutting cycle that I have planned. Any amendments or advice would be greatly appreciated!

    I’m 36 years old, 5’9, 196 pounds and sitting around 18% body fat. I’m looking to lose as much fat as possible, retain lean muscle and just look the best I possibly can!

    I’ve bought 3 vials of a Rip mix, which is 75mg of Test Prop, Tren Ace and Mast each per ml. I’m planning on jabbing 0.5ml ED, I suffered from bad acne as a teen so hoping that ED jabbing will keep sides at a minimum. Also have Aromasin on hand and will be taking 0.5 tab of Caber a week.

    I also have 2 tubs of 60 x 50mg Anavar. Just wondering if it would be worth adding the Anavar to the cycle for added results, and if so, how much? I’ve read about people using up to 100mg during cutting cycles, but with the Rip mix, that will be approx. 790mg of gear I’d be taking already.

    Any advice would be great! Thank you very much

    • Yea I would add it in if it were myself. I would start with 50mg a day for the first cpl weeks and see how you do, then bump to 75mg a day for the next cpl wks, then try 100mg a day. 100mg a day can fuck with my stomach, so what I do is run 100 till my stomach hurts, then back to 50 for a few days and then ramp back up to 100 and run it out maybe another week or so till my stomach hurts, back to 50 etc. Hahaha.

      • Thank you so much for the speedy reply, I’ll give that a try! Was racking my brains whether to add it or not, because the total volume of gear would be over 1.5 grams a week! But on the other side I thought because Var is so mild, why the hell not! Lol. Plus the UGL Var has gotten great reviews from guys I know and seems properly dosed, so fingers crossed! Thanks again for your help!

  24. Hi John! First of all thank you for all your knowledge you put on your website!

    Just wondering if you could give me some advise please. I’m about to start an 8 week Test P, Tren A and Mast P cycle, pinning ED 37.5g of each compound. I’ve ran a number of cycles over the years, this will be the first proper Tren cycle. Looking to retain as much lean mass as possible whilst cutting body fat.

    I work in an office, so apart from 3 x Full Body workouts and 2 x 45 minute LISS cardio sessions, I’m not too active during the day. With a 1950 calorie allowance, I’m eating 1g protein per pound of body weight at 190, but for Tren do you think I should eat the same 190g in carbs, or lower carbs because of my activity levels?

    Also, being 38 years old I’m on 150mg TRT dose of Test E whilst not on a proper cycle. After my last jab of Test/Tren/Mast should I immediately start the TRT dose of Test E? Because of the TRT, I wasn’t sure when to restart it.

    Thanks so much for your assistance, keep up the great work! :-)

  25. Hey John! Thanks for your content.

    Been searching for info on this with no luck:

    Would you get GOOD results (or results at all) by doing a cycle of:

    250mg/wk of Test E + 250 mg/wk of Tren A for 6 – 8 weeks?

    Test E is TRT.

    Also,m would you keep the gains?

    Thanks in advanced. Hope hearing from you soon!

    • It’s enough gear and a combo that will definitely get results if you out in the work. Nah, you won’t keep shit, I don’t believe you keep anything from steroids unless you keep using them or cycle again before losing all of the gains

  26. John,

    Thinking of running a tren ace and test cycle. I can’t find much info on these number though, care to shed some light on this for me?

    500mg test cyp/week
    50mg tren ace EOD

    What can I expect as far as sides go and should
    I run any kind of AI with this due to the high test? Thank you in advance for your response

    • Typical tren sides, night sweats, anger, all that good stuff usually. Arimadex at .5mg 3x a week as a failsafe on 500mg test. Good luck-JD

  27. Hey John,
    I am preparing to run a 6 to 8 week cycle of Tren ace and Test E. I have not used gear in over 15 years. What is your dosage advice?

  28. I just purchased tren A 150 and test cyp 250… How much of each EOD should I use ..I’ve never done tren before

  29. I’m sort of new too tren how much exactly would 100 mg be in mls
    how many mls would you have a shot of trenbolone e every 7 – 10 days ?

    • 100mg is usually 1ml, tren e usually comes dosed around 250mg/ml, therefore 1/2ml twice weekly is a good starting point (ie; .5cc mon/thurs)

  30. Hey man so I am doing my second cycle right now I’ve been working out several years but newer to using steroids and am currently taking abit less than a mil of tren ace every 2 days so about 80 mg per shot and also a half mil of test e same day so 125 mg every two days also stacked with 50 mg of oral anadrol a day… should I be taking test e that often or just take 250mg every 4 days? or would I be better off just switching to test p and how would that affect my cycle if I switch the type of testosterone I am taking

    • Just keep rolling as is, I think it’s fine. Just don’t stay on anadrol long, that combined with tren is harsh

  31. Hey John,
    I really the article you have written, feels like have a solid understanding these topics.

    I need some help with my current cycle, I’m doing Tren a 100mg + Test prop 100mg twice a week with T3 50mcg per day (currently on week 1) . My goal is to build lean muscle along with lowering my BF to around 12% (currently at BF is around 20%, weighing 194 lbs), My diet contains 230g of Protein + Carbs 150g +Fat obtained from food itself no extra added.

    1) is the Tren a + Test prop dosage good or how should optimise it get better results? (planning to do 12 weeks cycle)
    2) Should I change my macro’s?
    3) How long should I run T3?
    4) Should I include Cardio?( I workout 5 times a week hypertrophy training)

    PS- I completed my winstrol cycle (50mg per day for 3 weeks) just before starting my anabolic cycle

    5) How should my PCT look like?

  32. Hi John

    Just wondering if you could give me some advice please. I’m currently 3 weeks into a cutting cycle of 250mg Test E and 225mg Tren A per week. I’ve noticed for over about 2 weeks my left nipple is slightly pealing/inflamed and when erect, looks a pale pink colour.

    It doesn’t feel tender/itchy and I can’t notice any lumps. Last week I began taking Caber at 0.5mg twice per week. I’ll continue to do this for the remainder of the cycle. Any idea whether it’s just the change in hormone levels creating this? I’ve ran Tren A twice before and always reacted well from it.

    Many thanks!

    • Honestly man I really don’t know, I’ve never heard of discoloration like you are describing. Sorry I couldn’t be of more help, I’m just not out to B.S. anyone. Best of luck though -JD

  33. John,

    I have 2 vials of Tren Ace 75mg/ml and plenty of Test C 200mg/ml. What is the best stack cycle I can do with the limited amount of Tren?

    Currently on 8 months of TRT using Test C doing twice a week with 100mg/wk doses and no issues just want to step up the gains and cut for Summer.

    Thanks – Chris

  34. John,

    I have 2 vials of Tren Ace 75mg/ml and plenty of Test C 200mg/ml. What is the best stack cycle I can do with the limited amount of Tren? I would prefer to stay with 2 shots a week but will do 3 if it is better.

    Currently on 8 months of TRT using Test C doing twice a week with 100mg/wk doses and no issues just want to step up the gains and cut for Summer.

    • 3cc per week of tren done at 1cc a shot mon/wed/fri , test cyp once a week at 200mg (or twice per week if you prefer) run the tren ace just over 6 wks, run the test 8-12 wks, diet like hell! -JD

  35. So if you take .5mil/50mg Tren ace eod for the week, are you taking 50mg or 200mg for the week since it only has a 2day half life.? Because if it was Ten E you would be taking .5mil/50mg. Is that how it works with ace and E

    • that would be 175mg/wk, you simply multiply the mg per shot x 3.5= total amt per week. 50mg x 3.5= 175 -JD

  36. Hi John,

    Love the website and the information!!

    I’m planning my second cycle. First cycle was 16 weeks of Test E 500mg per week. At week 8 I brought in var for the rest of the cycle. It was great. No issues with gyno, estro didn’t need any Adex or anything.

    I’m now on TRT 160mg per week on a script.

    I’m now planning a recomp/summer shred cycle .. I’m 200lbs 17% bf.

    I was thinking of keeping the test and tren at a low dose because I believe in a less is more approach. And I can always increase throughout the cycle.

    Would test e at 250mg per week and tren ace at 150mg per week be something you recommend?

    I think this would be an 8-10 week cycle. Also when would I return back to my TRT dose?

    • yes, that would work. When you end the cycle simply resume back to TRT, no off time is necessary if you are already on TRT. Thanks for following! -JD

  37. What would recommend for best results for my first cycle and dose this sound like a good place to start I currently have
    4-test 300 e
    1-tren ace
    25 CT Aromasin 25mg
    And for pct I have
    3-HCG 5000iu
    I appreciate all the knowledge

  38. Hey John,
    I’ve played with tren e a few times but I’m wanting to go with tren a this cycle coming up. I hate test prop because of the PIP. Can I do test e or c mon, thurs at 250 mg’s each shot an do tren a mon,weds,fri at 100 mg’s each or does the test need to be same days? An is that right or should I run tren higher then test.

  39. hey john.

    if i add low dose tren to my current script trt when should i stop the tren before getting bloodwoork. i currently draw bloods every 3 months.

    trt is 180mg per week
    im planning 200mg tren ace per week

    • don’t use it any longer than 6-8 wks, that’ll give you 4-6 wks off before labs. And don’t expect the labs to look perfect. Thanks for following -JD

  40. Hello, I’m on trt. Test Cyp 200mg/week. I’ve tried test prop in the past and it literally made the muscle where ever I injected crippled! It was super painful for me. I’d like to stick to Test Cyp since I’m already on it.
    My question is , could I run the cycle like this:
    300 mg/week Tren
    200 mg/week Test Cyp
    50mg Anavar/day (I have var on hand already)
    for 8 weeks.

    And as this would be my first time with tren, should I run a lower dose? Like maybe 75mg mon/wed/fri

    • yes, thats a decent cycle. I’d run it like that, 75mg less a week tren won’t make a difference in sides, the sides you would get at 225mg/wk are the same sides you’re going to get at 300/wk

  41. if i really need to avoid Tren-A sides but eager to try it on my second cycle
    is it ok to inject 1ml of Primo + 25mg of tren (0.25ml ) each day for 6 days a week along with 400 mg of Testosterone-E + 50 mg of anavar

    what do you think ? do you have a comment or is anything here too much?

  42. Hi! Can i but test prop and tren ace in the same syringe? I think i will use 200mg test prop, 200mg tren ace per week and only 20mg winstrol per day for 7 weeks. What u think is it too harsh to body if i would take little bit clenbuterol also 2weeks on/2off?

    • Yes, you can load both in same syringe to inject, ppl do it all the time. And you are best to at least do a Mon/Wed/Fri inject schedule, or every other day. But mon/wed/fri minimum with those esters since they’re faster. Clen, I don’t think it’s ever necessary to go over 100mcg daily myself, begin with 40 or 50 mcg and adjust. Yes, 2 wks on and 2 wks off is good, on your 2 wks off you could even do the ACE stack (aspirin 80mg/day, caffeine, ephedrine) get your ephedrine at Wal-mart pharmacy desk if you can, in US its legal to buy Bronkaid at pharmacy, just show the your I.D., 50mg/day Bronkaid, 81mg baby aspirin once/daily, 200-300mg/day caffeine, sunergy to burn faT FROM THAT IS GOOD. Go ack and forth 2 wks clen and 2 wks ACE stack. Thanx for following! -JD

  43. John I am kinda new to this world I have been taking test c 200mg a week for over a year. About 6 months ago I run a test c 200 x2 week with deca 300 for 6 weeks. I am wanting to run a tren cycle. I have tren e 300, tren a 100, test c 250, test e 300, test p 100, sustain 250, test primobolan 100, Dbol 50mg, Winstrol 50mg on hand what would be my best stack and how much to gain as much muscle mass. I am 210lbs at 5’10” I work out hard 5 times a week. Please help any advice would be greatly appreciated

  44. You actually don’t realize all the side effects of Tren until you come off cycle. The insomnia I wake up almost every hour when I’m cycling. Loss of appetite. Can go all day not eating and not give it a second thought. I seem to get muscle pains in my deltoids. No place else. But man, so painful, I wake up screaming. I’ve never experienced the aggression though. But, this stuff, as far as Bang for the Buck…there’s nothing better.

  45. Hey John,
    Could you clear up dosage for Test E and Tren A cycle as well as PCT?
    I’m seeing all different dosages and I’m feeling confused.

  46. Hey John,
    So I have Tren A 200mg/ml, test p 150mg/ml, and test e 350mg/ml. I only have one bottle of each but can get more if needed. What should my dosage of each be and when? How long should I run each? Do I take an anti-estrogen during the cycle? If so what and how much? And THE BEST PCT regimen? Thank you for your time!

  47. Sir,

    Anyway to message you privately? Nothing is free so I will gladly pay for your advice. I have NEVER come across someone as knowledgeable as you on the matter and as I’m sure you know, knowledge in this game is hard to find.


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