This was my first experience with steroids, it was a 1 vial cycle of Testosterone Cypionate, and I gained a solid 23 lbs in 8 weeks off that little fucker! It was an old school pyramid/taper cycle, but it worked!
Now I’m writing this for a beginner, and my goal here is to keep you safe and smart while gaining some mucho muscles. The first thing you need to know is steroids without a doctors prescription are illegal. Not only are they illegal, they are a schedule III narcotic. That means they are in the same classification as cocaine, meth, and heroin.
Although not always looked at in the same light, they are a schedule III and the penalties lately have been getting harsher. So just know that before you start or bring this shit into your parents house (like I did years ago). As for acquiring steroids, you’re on your own.
The only advice I’m going to give you on that is trust your source, and you get what you pay for. I paid $150 for my first bottle of testosterone and that was almost 15 years ago, then I paid another $50 for 8 needles. We didn’t have these online sources or the knowledge back then.
But you know something? I’m glad I paid so much for that gear, because I busted my ass that much harder. Coming up with $200 as a kid mowing lawns for $10 each, well it took a little while, LOL.
As for getting needles yourself, you will need 8 syringes for this cycle. VERY CHEAP. It varies state to state, but some states still sell them without a prescription. If not you can order them online and they come discretely packaged right to your doorstep. The size you want is 23 gauge, 1 inch, 3ML.
Your steroids are dosed per milliliter (or as the syringe says “CC”), a CC is the same thing as a ML, so if you have a bottle of testosterone that says 200MG per ML, that means that there are 200MG of testosterone when you fill your needle up to the 1 CC mark. All you need to be concerned with right now is how many CC’s to dose at.
The only other thing you need to get is something called Clomid. Clomid is what you will take when your cycle is over with. It helps your normal levels of testosterone bounce back faster. You will need about 20 tabs of Clomid. A lot of guys want to get other stuff like HCG and Nolvadex as well as Clomid, but as a beginner the only thing you need is Clomid for this cycle.
OK, so you’re ready to inject! The first thing you will do is pop the cap off your gear. Next you will clean off the top of the vial with rubbing alcohol, turn it upside down and stick your needle in it. You will then pull the plunger back to the required dose (I pull mine back further to create more suction so I’m not waiting around forever). It takes a minute for the oil to fill the syringe as its usually pretty thick.
Now you need to get any air bubbles you see out of the syringe. So start pushing the plunger forward slowly until the oil meets the start of the needle (the spot where the needle meets the barrel), Now you want to flick the barrel a couple times if you have to, it gets the air bubble to travel through the oil and right to the top.
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Push just a TINY BIT of your oil from the tip of the needle. This way you know that from the time you start pushing on your plunger, its all oil and not air bubbles. Next, stick the needle into your butt cheek, more towards the upper part. Picture an imaginary line drawn across your ass halfway down, stay on the upper half of that line. Every other week you will rotate which cheek you use.
OK, once the needle is in, pull back on it about 1/8″ just to make sure no blood comes into the needle. If you see blood quickly come into the needle, you are in a vein and you need to pull out and go in a different spot. “Aspirating the needle” means making sure you’re not in a vein. If no blood comes into it, you are ready to inject. Slowly push down and shoot the oil into you. Not too fast, slow and steady.
Then, pull the needle out and wipe the area off if it bleeds any. Then massage the area for a couple minutes to help disperse the oil. You will use a new needle EVERY TIME!
Testosterone Dosing Schedule
OK, here is your dosing schedule for your 8-week cycle. You will need 1, 10cc bottle of Testosterone Cypionate OR Testosterone Enanthate. You will inject once a week for 8 weeks.
Week 1 – 1/2cc
Week 2 – 1cc
Week 3 – 1.5cc
Week 4 – 2cc
Week 5 – 2cc
Week 6 – 1.5cc
Week 7 – 1cc
Week 8 – 1/2cc
Clomid PCT Therapy
Once you are done with your 8 weeks, you are to wait 2 full weeks before using your Clomid. This way the half life of the drug has run its course and its mostly all out of you. It would be a waste to start your Clomid therapy while the steroids were still kicking, that is why we want to wait a full 2 weeks here.
You are to use 1 Clomid tab (50mg) a day for 20 days. After this cycle is over with (after your Clomid therapy) you are to wait AT LEAST 8 WEEKS, before attempting another cycle. 12 weeks would actually be better. You will be anxious to try steroids again, I promise you. But this time off is very necessary if you want to have children someday, and don’t want to be on injections the rest of your life.
I myself have to take testosterone until I die, I simply cannot function like a normal human being without it. I don’t mind it, but I have good insurance and it’s affordable for me. Without insurance it costs a little more, and the required doctor visits cost A LOT more, more than the average person could afford every 10-12 weeks. So keep that in mind also, what are you going to do one day if you have to take this shit forever and you don’t have insurance or a well paying job?
Anyways, I’m not going to tell you not to use steroids nor am I advocating them. That’s up to you and your conscience. But I can help you stay safe and show you how to use them properly. I will answer any questions you may have.
Train hard! -JD
1,151 thoughts on “The 1 Vial Steroid Cycle for Beginners”
I like your articles. Keep up the good work.!
What are your opinion on doing only Primobolan Depot for first cycle?
I was wondering doing:
1-10 – 400 mg EW
and then clomid as PCT?
Yes, good choice. But make sure its real, primo is faked a lot
I’m 44 years old, I’ve been thinking about using test 250 for the first time. I’ve been working out for 6 months now and my test is already low for my age. I was tested. I want to build lean muscle at my age and my sex drive is very low. What doses do you recommend. Thanks
In your case if your test is already low then you’re probably looking at hormone replacement therapy anyways. I would go with 500mg/wk of test for 10 wks, wait 2 weeks after your last shot and don’t use anything for recovery. Then at 6-8 weeks later I’d go to a Dr. and get your hormones tested and get a prescription for test. If you do not have insurance then I would advise against taking them at all, because you’ll be lower than you are now. Good luck
Thanks for the in for. I have been to the doctor for this, she recommended me to try trt, but I’m also wan t to get bigger in the process. Thank you.
Am 46 low T thinking about a 12 week cycle what do you think
Hi John Doe
Ok you say wait 12weeks when I finish the testcyp
Can I do a 10ml of winstroll
?? Would that be fine or not
Nope, wait it out so you’re fully recovered
Hey, I’m going to do the 10cc cycle you recommended and doing the clomid as my post cycle. I was wondering if the clomid will prevent me from losing everything I gain on the 8 week cycle. If not what else would you recommend. I was going to do a 12-14 week cycle but since I just turned 17 I thought it best to use this.
The clomid will help retain more gains than not using it, but it’s not magic by any means.
Thanks for the reply and one last question. Would you recomend me cycling testosterone e and testosterone p together if so what would you recommend for my dosing schedule
you can, if it’s not your first cycle then I’d do 1 cc/wk of test e and hit 3cc’s/wk of test prop, mon/wed/fri on the prop, once wk on test e or cyp
Can i use arimidex in replace of clomid?
At 17 u have no reason whatsoever to need test bro ure test level is peeking right now utilize that to the max then maybe think about test when u hit ure 30s and everything starts to slowly drop
absolutely!! Sound advice right here -JD
Hey Mr.Doe.. I been reading and you pretty much have nailed every question. So for me I’m 38 I have a good amount of energy but sex drive is deff. Not the same I haven’t gotten my t levels tested but have been considering goin on some test . I’m still active and I’m training for another semi pro football season. I was reading and some one my age if we take test we will have to always take it there after because it will mess up the testosterone we already have. I’m not clear on this one talk to me…
To sum it up for you, a low sex drive can be a symptom of low testosterone. NOT ALWAYS though. It could be from certain medications that have that side effect. It could be your testosterone is fine but your estrogen levels are elevated. You want to definitely all other factors out before just pointing to testosterone, but at 38 yrs old it’s certainly a strong possibility. I know a guy who is 32 yrs old who just came back with a test serum level of 220ng/dl, super low for 32 yrs old!! He was prescribed testosterone through the Dr. after the results came back. Ok, so let’s say you just think your levels are low and you’d like to try testosterone. A pretty good indicator it was in fact low test is if your sex drive comes back when using testosterone, which it most likely will. When you take testostrone, your body stops making it’s own for a brief time frame since it detects another source of testosterone coming in, in more than adequate levels. Your own production basically shuts down. When you come off your cycle your levels drop and eventually the body begins making it’s own again. This becomes more and more difficult with age and numerous cycles btw. A “PCT )post cycle therapy” is a span of a few weeks where you introduce female hormones in order to get your body to respond by jump-starting testosterone production again and/or by stimulating leutinizing hormone, which is directly responsible for natural testosterone production in the testes. you may come back and you may not. But if your levels are ALREADY NATURALLY LOW now, then taking testosterone will further drive anything you have left into the dirt, and coming back beyond where you’re at now would be pissing in the wind. Hope this helps
Hey Doe, I’m 46 and have been taking 1cc of test for about 14 weeks and was thinking I should take a break, do you agree? I also will not be having anymore children and would like to add some more muscle. Do you have any suggestions?
Get off it for 8 weeks, at that point go get a hormone test, if you’re low then get a script. At 46 yrs old you’ll never recover fully, your life will be better on testosterone-JD
Was already tested and i was low. Have the scrip already. Do you think uping the dose would good and never drop below a 1/2 cc a week. Also at my age what do think would be a good mix with the test?
Great arrival..not. complicated like everything else I’ve been trying to research. U pretty mush just answered all my questions in a few paragraphs. Wish I’d of come across this weeks ago. It would have saved me a lot of time
Evolutionary.org research no more bro. Its all there.
Very good article man, keep up the good work. My only curiosity is what will happen if someone just want to do one cycle and then stop? Will you loose all of your gains even if you keep training hard?
If your plan is to do 1 and done, dont touch it
What would your suggestion be for someone who is already in extremely good shape looking to just boost their physique up a notch? Only doing 1 maybe 2 cycles of something ever and that’s it. As minimal side effects as possible. 25 yrs, hard gainer, 6ft very healthy and very good physique.
I’d be looking into testosterone and anavar
Saw a comment where u said to someone to eat ur ass off to get big…I’m 220 and medium build …some whatchubby but not fat and want to get ripped and big…what should I eat…this is new to me
eat clean and in caloric deficit for now to lose the fat. Since you’re new you’ll respond better and still probably gain some strength while losing fat. If you’re chubby then the “eat everything rule” doesn’t apply to you
I’m wanting to do my first cycle on test cyp and equipoise can you help me with the cycle and dosage thanks
I have a couple questions if you wouldnt mind answering. I used dbol when i was in the marines like 3 yrs ago but havent since. I’m 26 yrs old, 69″ 185lbs 16%. I want to compete in some amatuer physique competitions this spring. I have the genetics for it I just need to get close to the size of the other guys fast and maintain it for a while. I plan on seriously competing. I am looking into what I should stack for a cycle and how much. to gain some serious size to come close to winning by april. without killing myself haha. anything would be appreciated.
I’d stick to faster acting compounds like test prop, masteron, winstrol, tren (if you can handle it)
Hey I’m 38 and I started test and dbol for my first cycle is this going to work?
It’ll work if you eat a lot and lift your ass off, otherwise it will not work
I would use anavar over Dbol, dbol gains aren’t very maintainable
I have a question are all steroids oily or not.? Cuz i just got a bottle they had to rip off the label cuz of the fact it’s illegal and i have never seen or have done it but I’m about to do my first cycle. In this stuff is clear. I’m 27 , back and forth to 205lbs and 210lbs 6’2. And i want to say that he said its test 250. Well this get me bigger then i already am and bolk out muscular.
it will only help you get bigger and stronger if you eat, you have to eat a lot. It’s like dropping a bigger engine in a car, it burns gas faster
And its OK to just do this test 250 for 8 weeks alone with nothing else right well I no I need estorgen blocker also when I start. What Dosage do you think I should start out with? And you said that it well get me bigger as in Muscle size bigger as I’m working out right
yes, just eat your ass off and train hard!!! 8 wks is good for a first cycle
Well I did my first dosage of test 250 of 1/2 cc and I eat good and had a meal before and after I did it. But why did it make me feel dizzy, light headed, and my And my vision was getting hazy like I was gonna almost black out. Why would this happen. How do you think i should do my cycle im doing it first week 1/2 and move up a 1/2 every week tell i get to 2 cc my 4 th and 5 th week and then go back down every week a 1/2 cc Also I had ask if this well pack on muscle and get me big as in muscle big.
sounds to me like nerves/anxiety
I just started a cycle of test about 4 days ago …and shouldn’t take another till sat ..its only wed…would it be okay to do it today?
I wouldn’t, don’t see a need to run more for your first cycle…but technically you could. But if it were me and I was using more then I’d make sure to do it every Saturday and Wed to keep blood levels stable
I have been taking 500mg of test e per week in 1 shot. Due to working away sometimes i cant take my gear which means i could go upto 2 weeks without a shot. Could i take some dbol instead until i can take my next shot?
Thanks for all your great advice
no, I would not use dbol as a substitute because you cannot take your test. What I’d do is switch to an injection schedule where you inject your test once every 2 wks at 500mg. You can go 2 wks between shots on a long ester such as test e, under normal HRT protocol Docs only inject their patients once every 2 wks. You may start to feel a little down around days 10 and beyond but nothing bad. The biggest thing you want is consistency here and a pattern
Hey John! Can you email me? I have been all through ur messege. There is a question I would like to ask you. Email would be better. Thanks! Happy building!
Hey doe, i heard you can use test e to cut if taken in small doses such as 1/2 cc a week for 10-15 weeks do u think thats true. Also if using small doses of test and trenn do u think one would need clomid or post theropy
yes and yes, I know a guy who cuts on 1500mg/wk of test, it’s all diet
Hey JD! are you still active on this website? Just seems a little dated an I had some questions I wanted to ask you through email. Thanks man if you get this! Lol
Hi I am new to gym married 30 years age want to start with dbol oral for 6 weeks plz help me
Hope you didn’t do that
Hey John. I’m about to start my first cycle of test c and will follow your article on it. My question is that I cannot get any clomid. Will red – PTC be good enough then? And if so what do you recommend for dosage?
yea, just use 3 caps/day for 30 days when cycle is over with, the cycle is so mild I highly doubt you would need anything during cycle, just use Red-PCT at 3 capsules a day x 30 days, begin using it 2 weeks after your last shot of testosterone
Will this also work for test e?I can only find 2 weeks worth of Nolva.thanks
Should I take the nolva also or is it not needed. I already have it.thanks
I myself would only use it if I had symptoms of gyno or felt any sensitivity coming on. This cycle is pretty low, not really needed
I am thinking about starting my first cycle . I am going to do excalty what you stated in your article. I have one question what should I use for just in case of guyno? Well I get it from just Test? I just want to prevent it before it happens. Please email me when you find the time . Thanks !!
Do you recommend trinaplex for beginners
not sure what trinaplex is, I’ve heard of finaplex
I’m 46 and I’m just wanting to do 1cc for 8 weeks to put on some size. I’ve definitely put on some size naturally but it’s took me like 3 years to go from like 185 to 215.
Ok this is what I’m really concerned about I’m just thinking of doing this maybe once or twice and then go back to working out naturally. My question is I’m scared that my testosterone won’t go back to my naturally levels they were at before I started using steriods. Will this happen with just using steriods once or twice and then stop using them?
At your age the only way you should be using testosterone is through prescribed testosterone from a Doctor. No, you’ll probably never come back to what you were before using it and that amount for 8 weeks isn’t enough to make recovery even worth it at 46. Stay away
Is there an alternative for guys in their 40s other than running test? Other compounds for building lean mass?
I’m 46, 240lbs, 6’3” and about 15%… eating isn’t an issue.
Have an ED issue but my doc said I have enough testosterone to impregnate a herd of elephants.
I work out 2 hours per day – heavy lifting mostly. Seem to have hit a wall.
I compete in men’s physique bodybuilding but I wanna crossover. I’m running my first cycle as we speak test enanthate 300 manufacture xt labs/uk not the xt labs in Mexico. I already have arimidex and novladex on hand, what do you think would be the best way to cycle? I was just gonna run it at 1cc a week 10-12 weeks
Also would you recommend taking a low dose aspein while on or even off to control bp, I already have a little higher then normal bp as it is
Yea I’d just use 1cc/wk myself. Aspirin wouldn’t hurt, although prob not necessary it would never hurt
Thanks for the reply
I have two vials I’m coming up on my fith week I’m thinking about increasing the dosage to either 500 or 600 mgs week. What do you think?
Also I went to go speak to my doctor and was just honest with him about everything so he perscribed me low dose losinopril just to help keep my bp I’m check
So I’m coming on my 8th week of test e 300 500mgs/week. But I haven’t made any significant gains yet. I have a higher libido, increased acne on my back, oily skin, increases strength but no gains yet. My diet is on point and my training as well. What do you think the problem might be? Am I just a slow responder or do you think my stuff is under dosed? If so should I increase the mgs?
Here’s what my diet is like:
8-10 egg whites two bowls of oats banana
Heavy protein shake
Three chicken breast or red meat and brown rice
2 chicken breast or red meat and brown rice
Post work out shake and a banana
What ever I want for dinner heavy meal high protein high carb
Two servings Greek yogurt and two scoops of whey protien
Tuna and brown rice or oats
Protein shake before bed
Hello I’m new here I was wondering if you recommend trinaplex for beginners
Could I mix test p with this cycle. A 10ml 100mg/ml vial of Test P. With a 10ml 250mg/ml vial of Test E
In the same syringe
wk 1- 1/2 cc Test E, 1/2 cc Test P
wk 2- 1 cc Test E, 1 cc Test P
wk 3- 1.5 cc Test E, 1.5 cc Test P
wk 4- 2 cc Test E, 2 cc Test P
wk 5-2 cc Test E, 2 cc Test P
wk 6- 1.5 cc Test E, 1.5 cc Test P
wk 7- 1 cc Test E, 1 cc Test P
wk 8- 1/2 cc Test E, 1/2 cc Test P
Yea you can do that, may hurt a little once you get to 2cc’s/shot though. Prop can be painful sometimes, but it can also depend on the lab brand too. Go for it and see
Hello John Doe,
From reading your suggested dosage amounts, won’t 4ccs (week 4 and 5) be considered extreme amounts for a first time cycler? I’m 30 and weigh 170, 68 ins tall.
no, it’s 400mg/wk for just 2 wks during this cycle (or 500mg/wk if using test 250) This cycle is designed to slowly introduce you to a higher test amount and then taper you off
What does no ester oxy means? I’m looking for the oil online to purchase and I see the oil containing that info.
Well, if it has no ester then that means it’s something that directly breaks down in your body without taking time to degrade. Like test suspension for example, it’s testosterone with no ester, so you shoot it an hour before the gym and you’re an animal. I’m assuming oxy means oxymethalone and “no ester oxy” sounds like an injectable form of Anadrol. Look out for gyno with that one, no ester anadrol? What, it doesn’t aromatize fast enough, we need to give you bitch tits faster? This is becoming more common with tabs now, they’re being made in injectable form. That sound like a very new product to me
He doe, I’m 23 5’9 165 20%Bf lean but not muscular. I wanna bulk up get some hard gains . I’m always in the gym 3days on one day off ect. Ive been on a meal plan and wkrkout plan for 6 weeks now and I’m getting some pretty good results now that .y diet is dialed in. Question I have is what kind of gear should I start with. I really don’t know I’ve never taken before but a buddie of mine can get his hands on it he’s been taking for a good amount of yrs now.
What would be a good cycle for a boxer or fighter? Would just test be good or should you stack it with other compunds? Also what is best for speed and endurance? Thanx
Not my area of expertise but I’d say that most fighters are taking fast acting compounds that don’t promote water weight gain, steroids like anavar, equipoise, winstrol. I’d run a minimum test base of 200mg/wk and take 50-80mg/day of anavar, that would be a good beginner cycle to help your performance. A lot of fighters take steroids that promote aggression like halotestin, test suspension, cheque drops, tren, but as a beginner I think the best route to focus on is performance and cycling wisely in moderation, without compounds that are going to make you edgy and feel pissed off. Yes, there are certain steroids that make you meaner. I don’t believe in roid rage but I do think some of them make you more stressed out and pissed off
Can I run this cycle forever for libido and enhancement only?
Week 1 (Test-e= 250mg on Monday, 250mg on Thursday)
Week 2 (Test-e= 250mg on Monday, 250mg on Thursday)
Week 3 (Test-e= 250mg on Monday, 250mg on Thursday)
Week 4 (Test-e= 250mg on Monday, 250mg on Thursday)
Week 5 (Test-e= 250mg on Monday, 250mg on Thursday)
Week 6 (Test-e= 250mg on Monday, 250mg on Thursday)
Week 7 (Test-e= 250mg on Monday, 250mg on Thursday)
Week 8 (Test-e= 250mg on Monday, 250mg on Thursday)
Week 9 (Test-e= 250mg on Monday, 250mg on Thursday)
Week 10 (Test-e= 250mg on Monday, 250mg on Thursday)
Week 11 nothing
Week 12 Nothing
Week 13 (100mg Clomid every day+ 40mg Nolvadex every day)
Week 14 (70mg Clomid every day+ 40mg Nolvadex every day)
Week 15 (50mg Clomid every day+ 20mg Nolvadex every day)
Week 16 (35mg Clomid every day+ 20mg Nolvadex every day)
13W, 100mg Clomid, 40mg Nolva
14W, 100mg Clomid, 40mg Nolva
15W, 50mg Clomid, 20mg Nolva
16W, 50mg Clomid, 20mg Nolva
no, not a good idea to run this “forever” because of blood pressure, hematocrit, and cholesterol issues. Running a 500mg/wk test cycle for 10 weeks is one thing, but repeating it over and over and over indefinitely is another. Besides, you don’t need 500mg for performance and libido anyways, you can get by with about half of that
Thank you for your quick reply. What I mean by “forever” is can I run that cycle on and off indefinitely without changing the products or dosage. So twice per year? My goals are libido and maybe 5-10lbs of gains. 43 years old, 140lbs 5.6.
yea you can
thank you. this info helped out a lot. happy new year!
you too, thanks buddy- JD
Thanks for explaning this in such a simple manner, thats what I love about your site. I have a couple dumb questions for you because I’m a first timer and thinking about giving this a try.
If my bottle of test cypionate says 250mg/ml do I need to adjust the doses that you laid out in the 8 week schedule? For example if I injected 1/2 cc in week one would that be too much (125mg)?
Given the option and all things being equal would cypionate or enanthate be better?
The clomid I have access to is 50mg per tab, is that the right amount to do 1 tab for 20 days?
Thanks for your time and I appreciate the help.
Keep to the same schedule I’ve layed out, perfectly fine. And yes, 20 tabs of clomid is good at that dose, doing a tab each day. Good luck
What dose u do?? 250 0r 200 per cc?
Either one, whatever you can acquire. Just stick to the same pyramid per cc’s/wk
I am also thinking of trying this cycle
But how would you lay out your diet ?Do you have to have a calorie surplus to gain the 23 pounds from this cycle .
to answer your question, yes you need a calorie surplus to gain on a cycle, or natural. Taking steroids does not make you grow, it just places your body in a better environment to grow if all of the ingredients are there(sleep, proper training, adequate nutrients and calories) When I did this as my first cycle I didn’t know as much about nutrition as I do now. My diet was basically; breakfast- 4 whole scrambled eggs, large bowl of oats, large glass of milk, mid morning- protein shake and fruit, lunch- 1/2 lb ground beef, large bowl of oats, large glass of milk, mid afternoon- protein shake, large bowl of oats, dinner- 1/2 lb ground beef, box of macaroni, late night- few scrambled eggs, peanut butter sandwich, banana. It was something like that if I can remember correctly. I remember eating a lot of hamburgers and oatmeal. I was actually doing the beginner workout in Arnold’s encyclopedia of bodybuilding, and I was doing 20 min jogs 3-4x/wk around my neighborhood. I think I just felt like some kind of badass taking my shirt of and jogging out on the street, ahh yes to be young again!!! I slept 9-10 hrs a night, I did not drink a drop of alcohol, for that short 8 week cycle I literally lived to do nothing but eat and train. I did go to a friends house party one time, but didn’t drink. I was in my wifebeater, and a lot of the guys who played football were there. The reaction was great, those guys were like “God Damn bro!!” Your first cycle is usually the best, the psychological high from it is unbelievable. You wont just use them one time, I guarantee you that much
Hey man I was wondering I have sustanon 250 10ml and deca 10ml, would I gain more by injecting 2cc a week for 5 weeks or following the pyramid schedule for 8 weeks
inject your sustanon at 1/2cc twice/wk and load 1/2cc of deca in same syringe, inject that twice weekly. Sustanon has short test in it as well, once a week isnt enough to take full advantage of it, keep blood levels stable, and keep sides such as acne on the low. Run that for 10 wks, no pyramid cycle with Sustanon
Victor Pride says that 200 mg/week is an TRT cycle..
John Doe says that you should inject 125 mg the 1ste week.
This makes it quite difficult for me too choose the right dose for my self administered TRT.
You’re on TRT, how much mg/week of Test do you take?
Your talking about 2 different things here. Yes normal trt can be anywhere from 75mg per wk-200mg/wk, but remember this is for men who need REPLACEMENT therapy. This isn’t for someone who has test levels already kicking in normal range who wants to enhance it. Yes I take test replacement, I’m on for life. I’m prescribed 200mg weekly, I run that amount for 10 wks straight and then I drop to 100-150mg wk for the next 10-12 wks. I lower it as a safety throughout the year to keep certain blood levels in check
A ‘steroid MD’ told me that you have no natural T when on a cycle. body stops production.
I was on TRT 2014 -2016.my test was just under 400ng before he put on TRT.doc put me on test cyp at 100mg every 2 weeks.it put me just above 400 ng and doc was happy with that.he wouldn’t up my dose.so I figured it wasn’t worth stabbing my self for such little results .now it is July 2019 and I decided to obtain it illegally.I did my first injection this morning at 200mg which I plan to do for 10 weeks like you then cut back like you for a while.Is there anything else I need to do? estrogen wise or anything?I think I’m going to have to tell the doctor sometime so I can get my blood work done.any suggestions you have for me would be greatly appreciated!
100mg every 2 weeks? Shit, why use anything at all rt? Obviously this wasn’t enough, 100/wk would have been minimal IMO
Nice article John and I’m liking your stuff overall so keep it up.
How old were you when you did this first cycle? And how long had you been training for at that point?
Do you regret doing your first cycle when you did?
Thanks and all the best!
I was 19 yrs old when I did this.So this was almost 15 yrs ago. I dont regret doing steroids, I only regret not waiting a little longer. I think 25 yrs old is ideal, but I was in the gym for about 3-4 years straight and had gotten up to 205 lbs fairly lean as a natural guy, so I cant just put an age on it because I was about at my genetic peak. My arms back then were just an inch shy of where they are now (but much leaner now at 1″ larger so looks bigger) I do not regret doing any steroid at all, because the quality of my life is much better on them. But there are certain compounds I’ve used that I wished I hadn’t have touched. Anadrol 50, dbols, tren, shit like that was like poison to my body and I didnt feel too good using it. These were the days when it was all about size and not so much about seeing each individual muscle. As I got older I realized that most of my growing days were over with, and the only goal left was to refine what I had built and bring it in harder and harder, trying to get those muscles that pop and that paper thin skin. Also, my skin is important to me now, I dont do anything that breaks me out in acne. Why build this beautiful body if its covered in acne? I had to go to a dermatologist once several years ago and get 3 different medications for my back acne. Fuck that, no more of that shit
What meds for the acne? Also ive just ordered 250 bottles test cyp and want to do TRT to be at a natural high end …how much should i start with? Like 125 a week so half bottle? Can you use half bottle then store other half for week? Does it need to be in fridge? Also i got novadex..is that all i need? Thanks new fan!
I think you need to do some more research. 125mg would be half a ml, not half a bottle. 1 bottle will get you 20 weeks at 125mg/wk. For normal TRT then yes, 125mg/wk is a good starting point and I’d say you can safely push it to 200mg/wk to live a little on the high life of things. I use 200mg/wk myself. I occasionally drop back to 125mg here and there, but I feel my best at 200mg/wk
test doesnt need to be refrigerated either, and as for acne, it’ll clear up once you get on a steady injection schedule and no longer experience the ups and downs of a “cycle” where you come totally off. Acne is caused more from the hormone fluctuations, not the actual product itself. Once I started TRT I quit getting any acne at all. My skin got pretty clear
No, he’s talking about exactly what he said. 125mg is half a 1ml single use vial which is how most trt patients are going to have it prescribed due to the majority of insurance companies only covering a 3 month supply. Also, testosterone is not in the same category as cocaine, heroin, and methamphetamine as you suggested in your article. Test is a CIII as you stated, however, the others are schedule I except methamphetamine which is a schedule II. Schedule I narcotics have no known clinical applications and are among the most addictive and/or abused drugs available. A schedule II narcotic has clinical uses but are the most addictive of all drugs with known I was clinical applications.
Hi John, for a first time cycle like this using just testosterone, would you see it as very necessary to get blood tests done?
As I’m becoming more educated on steroids, I see it is commonly recommended to get a blood test before, during and after your cycle, to keep and eye on your test level and other hormones.
I can see that this is obviously ideal but it would cost me like £300+ in the UK just for the blood tests! Probably more than the steroids!
Do you think it would be fine to do a small cycle like this without blood tests, or maybe just get your T level checked before and after or something?
nothing to control estrogen during cycle ?
Not really necessary, not on that amount
I think youd be fine, dudes get overbored with that shit
Do you need to raise the dosage every time you do a new cycle in order to make more gains? And how many cycles to you have to do each year to just maintain your gains made on steroids? can you maintain them naturally? thanks
2 cycles a year max, time on cycle equals time off. Easiest way to mantain is by eating a lot!!!
Can I add so Var to that same cycle and get good results. If so how much?
Quick question for you. I was on a 10 week cycle eq an sus. I have been off for 2 weeks now and i feel like shit. I’m tempted to start a second cycle now and skip the clomid. Will it mess me up if i do? Thanks for your input.
I’m 40 years old, 6’3″ 235lbs and 8-9% bf. I’m not looking to put on 25-30lbs like some of the younger guys. At my age, I’m just looking to add a little size, strength, and enhance my aestethics. Something along the lines of a bigger physique model. Would this be a good place to start? Or should I use one of the Badass Old School cycles? I do NOT like the smooth, bloofy look.
Sam, at your age I would stongly suggest getting your testosterone levels checked at the Dr. before doing anything. If you were to come back around 300-400 ng/dl now, then a steroid cycle will throw you in the dirt when its time to recover. You will recover much slower than a guy who is around 6-800 ng/dl. What I’m saying is at least this will give you a reference point in terms of whether you can recover properly or will need hormone replacement therapy. If your levels come back half or less of what is considered “normal” peak levels(if you were to come back 450 or less), I’d opt for 500mg/wk test for 10 wks as a cycle. You wont benefit as much from the pyramid cycle I’ve layed out because your already at lower numbers to begin with. Does this make sense?
Thanks, John! I’m glad I checked with you first. I was going to try one of the other cycles you had listed(Low Test/High Anabolic). I’ll go with 500mgs of Test a week for 10 weeks. I’m going to drop down to 5-6% bf before starting to prime my system to take advantage of the rebound effect. Appreciate your help.
I am 40years old, 5’10” 225lbs, martial arts background, regularly in the gym, more like addition to my Jitsu training. I liked your post and get inspired by dbol-test e cycle, purchased test e 300 and 10mg dbol tabs for my first cycle, but getting a bit confused if that is good for me because of my bf over 30% What would you suggest? Is the only test e cycle 500mg ew more beneficial for me? Do I get very bloaded to much on the compound dbol-test e? Thank’s, keep going, great website. Maros
Stay away from any cycle until you get that bodyfat lower. DEFINITELY NO DBOL if you’re over 30% bodyfat, right now I’d be dieting my ass off and waiting to take anything until my bodyfat was half of that
btw, thanks for following man, didn’t mean to sound harsh but no reason to take anything that’s going to put water weight on you right now
what do you think about short cycles? like dbol 20mg ed, 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off and repeat 1 time.
Worthless bro!! Despite what you may hear on recovery, don’t believe the hype. 2 wk cycles suck, you quit the shit right when it starts working and you yo-yo the hell out of your hormones
Hey bro, good stuff here. I’m completely new to steriods and have only worked out minimal. As of now I am ready to commit to the gym life since I have more time now. However I need to gain some serious muscle in the next 2 months to make it to a pro league in softball but as of now I am not strong and not able to hit the ball very far. I read your article and I’m ready to try this. My question is, do I only use the testosterone cypionate in my first cycle alone? Or do I mix it or take something else as well? And besides taking this steroids, is there anything else you world recommend besides working hard at the gym? Thanks. I’m a 23 year old male.
Jay, commit to the gym life first, train your ass off and eat right, then maybe consider this later. Your only shortchanging yourself taking gear now. I had gained 60 lbs of mass naturally before ever touching anything. This isnt a quick fix, this may not be the answer your looking for but this is the best answer I have for you
Have been on a cycle of Test Ethantate for two weeks now. I started the Test and Dbol the same day, in which I am kick starting with Dbol. 40 grams of Dbol a day for 3 weeks.
I have Nolva and Clomid on hand.
This is my first cycle. I’m 28 years old.
Let’s say I’m having second thoughts and want to stop the cycle mid way.
How would I go about it and do you think it’s a good idea. Or should I just finish out my first cycle.
I think you should finish it. You obviously wanted to try it, you got the gear and you hit the needle. Your 28 yrs old so that’s not like your too young. I’d finish the cycle and then use your clomid and nolva and keep it natural if you so choose
Hey John I’m A 18 Year Old Male Been Lifting Properly For About 9-10 Months, Is It Okay If I Use Steroids Or Human Growth Hormone ?
Fuck no, stay away!!!
Thanks for the input brotha. Appreciate it man. And if your a father Happy Father’s Day bro.
I am, thank you
Good info, what would be the one thing you would take with test to increase gains and strength
if it was my first cycle, nothing else. Gains of 20 lbs are realistic on just test alone for a first timer
So I’m a 33 year old experienced lifter. I’m 6’2 228, probably around 20% body fat. I’ve been researching and considering trying gear for the first time, but my main goal is cutting down to 10% body fat while keeping my muscle. Would running test e with winny be a good beginners cycle? I’ve read that at 20% bf that there are more dangers with rising estrogen levels. Thanks in advance.
drop your bodyfat first, if your diet is right then there will be hardly any muscle loss until you get single digit bodyfat. THEN start your cycle. I like to actually see the changes from the gear, you wont at a high bodyfat. And yes, estrogen can become an issue with a higher bodyfat % and elevated testosterone in the mix. Yes, test e and winny is good, but the trick is to keep that test lower, just enough to stay anabolic. 200-300mg/wk with 50mg winny/day or 100mg winny mon,wed,fri. But get that bodyfat down first!!!
Thanks so much for the feedback. In order to drop the fat quickly, do you recommend clenbuterol? Also, how useful is clomid if you were to take it without having done a test cycle?
you dont want to take clomid by itsef, clomid is not a “feel good” compound at all and does not raise testosterone. It works because its a female hormone and when the body detects it then it begins to make testosterone on its own again. However, arimadex is great on its own and can raise your natural testosterone.
I do not recommend clenbuterol to anyone who is not stepping on a bodybuilding stage, and even then I’d say use it very sparingly. Clen is dangerous, out of all of the shit you could take that could be dangerous, clen ranks amongst one of the highest in my book. Your diet, cardio, and training should be enough to drop the fat quickly if you’re doing everything correctly. It takes about 8-12 wks to start seeing the major changes, even if your already fairly lean.
I ask a lot of questions I know, but what about oral only cycles? like for example Anavar with proviron for sex drive.
yes, anavar is a great compound and the addition of proviron will only help. I like to run 60-100mg/day of anavar, it occasionally messes with my stomach so what I’ll usually do is run it high for awhile and then back it off to 60mg/day for a few days and then back to 100mg/day. If its legit anavar you should get some good results at anywhere around 60mg/day. A very good run would be anavar at 60-100mg/day for 4 weeks, proviron at 100mg/day for next 4 wks, back to anavar at 60-100mg/day last 4 weeks. That is something I would do for cost purposes (as both compounds are pricey) and switching off 2 different compounds for an extra kick in the ass. 100mg/day proviron and 100mg/day anavar is too much at once for me, go 4 wks var, 4 proviron, 4 anavar
alright so an injectable test base is not always needed
so this is the basic Cycle what else do i need beside testosterone enanthate and clomid that’s it? i already get testosterone shot every two week. about 250. what else should i do i”m 38 and weight about 150 LBs
if you are already on testosterone and you’re 38 yrs old, I would recommend a cycle of 500mg/wk test e for 8-10 wks. The pyramid 1 vial cycle is more for a younger guy who is still producing his own test. If you are already on hormone replacement, then I would do the 500/wk for 8-10 wks and then use HCG and arimadex when you discontinue and resume your normal test replacement. If you have never used anything else before then 500mg/wk of testosterone is a good cycle. You only want to use just enough to do the job, next cycle you could add something to it
I’m 39 years old and I’m taking Test cypionate 250 for about 4 weeks now. I’ve been lifting for about 4 years now. I’m not as strong as most of the guys in the gym. I’m 6’2″ 210 lbs and want to gain a lot of strength. I watch my diet closely and workout about 4-6 days a week. I noticed today that my stamina has increased a lot on lifting heavy. Do you have any suggestions for a older guys just starting to take Test Cypionate?
Loosen up your diet more, seriously. Just for the remainder of the cycle, keep it 80% clean but don’t be afraid to have about 3-4 high calorie cheat meals a week in there. Things with some type of nutritional value still such as burgers or pasta dishes.
Hey John! Great article there buddy!
I am 18yo, 5’9″, 152 lbs and around 14% body fat.
I know you are going to say it is too early for me, everyone says that but still i have the intention of doing a cycle. I was very fat when younger (around 3 years ago), and i’ve been working out since then. I used to weight 84kg, of no muscle. I d say i was around 21% bf.
I love my body. These 3 years simply changed my life, i never thought i d grow much love for my body and the gym like i have now, and i know of all the dangers of doing a cycle, i know that i might have to do TRT when i get older and all that stuff. I suffered a lot through my teen years, at school and I still feel insecure about my body, and that affects me in all aspects of my life, even in my personality. I’ve read almost everything i could possibly read about cycles.
My idea of a cycle is
1-12 testosterone enanthate 300mg/2x week
6-14 oxandrolone 60mg/ED
anastrozol 0.5mg 1day on/1day off
I ll have blood tests pre and post cycle, so i can work better in the PCT to stabilize everything just as it was.
My questions are; Everywhere you see people with a fucked up life for using steroids at a young age. Is that because they were stupid teenagers that didnt know what they were doing, just did cycles without even reading EVERYTHING they could possibly read about it?
I mean, if i do a perfectly safe cycle, with the protocol i laid out before, with pre and post cycle tests and a very well worket PCT, am i going to have all those problems later in life?
Doing TRT is not that much of a burden in my opinion. You will have lived everyday in your life with a perfect body, the body you have always wanted, so its a price i would easily pay.
Sorry for the big comment, i could write even more, but i dont want you to struggle reading a comment as big as a book hahahah
if you want to know my reasons for cycling or help me with my cycle let me know man. I d love if you could answer my questions
For starters, the quality of life is very good if used wisely. I’m on vacation rt now and went jogging through town earlier, and it felt pretty good running through all of those fat fucking tourists and knowing I took a diff path in life. So I don’t care I’m on gear for life, so be it. I honestly don’t know anyone who is “fucked up” from using steroids. The guys who are fucked up are most likely guys who used to cycle, never came back with natural levels, but refuse to believe they’re low. Sometimes u don’t realize how half empty the glass is.
As for your cycle, I just don’t understand why you’d stack 2 compounds together when you’ve never ran 1. I would just do test and keep it at 10 wks max, then take 10 wks off cycle, not counting pct.
Awesome!! Thanks for your opinion brother, people with knowledge and sincerity are rare nowadays. Many retardeds everywhere talking like if steroids were going to kill you even if you use it wisely, and they say like they have deep knowledge on the subject.. Makes me mad hahahah
Regarding the fact of stacking 2 drugs together, i decided to do that because of:
. I not only need muscle (gonna come with the testosterone), i also have a quite high body fat level (i consider 14% high, as you have no definition at all)
OF COURSE you and anyone else might think: “oh, you are not only gonna do something that is naturally dangerous (steroids), but you are gonna stack 2 drugs on the first cycle”
I understand that, but by researching a lot about oxandrolone, i’ve come to the conclusion that oxandrolone can used very safely, and it is by far one of the less toxics oral “steroids” available, so even though i am stacking 2 drugs, oxandrolone is a perfectly safe drug (thats what i’ve seen everywhere i searched)
And plus, you said yourself; your first cycle is the one you get the best results, why not do the best cycle i can?
Anyways, gonna see a endocrinologist speacialized on steroids use next week, this way i can schedule my hormone/blood tests and i can talk to him about how far i can go in a way that will still be perfectly safe for me! Safety first, always.
Sorry for the big reply again hahaha and i d love to hear what you have to say again.
might wanna go see this website : http://www.hairlossfromsteroids.com and buy products to protect your hair, because you’ll do several cycles and if you dont wanna be even more insecured about your body having hair loss at young age lol….
fuck it, just shave your head and hit the tanning bed, you’ll get more chicks anyways
hahahshah i ve been thinking man, what if i did an Anavar only cycle?
It would be something like
I ve been reading everything about roids lately and i am afraid of fucking up my testosterone levels, since i am only 18yo.. If i start shooting test now, it will fuck my testosterone levels in the future (thats what i read everywhere).
I already have the anavar and the testosterone in hands, and i was pretty much decided to start using them next week, but now i am thinking about using only Anavar.. They say that anavar alone can bring up some pretty good results, with a good diet and training.. plus it would be a safe cycle for a 18yo.. what do you think bro?
Honestly, if I was an 18 yr old kid then 60mg/day of anavar is a good choice but you would be better off using it for cutting up. You wont see a whole lot of growth out of just anavar itself but it’ll condition you very well with a good diet. I do not suggest any steroids for someone your age, BUT if you’re going to use them then yes, that is a good choice
Hi, I am 27, and have been lifting for a few years, but only seriously with a correct diet for 12 months. A few questions I have are, if I get on a test base and dianabol cycle with proper pct and have anti e’s on stand by (just incase of gyno) and do it all by the book, will my test come back to normal? Or will I be selling myself short in the long run? And also will I keep my most of my steroid gains if I only do a cycle or 2?
Thanks alot :)
Nope, you will keep jack shit. A few months after your cycle you will need to do another cycle, and eventually more and more. 1 or 2 cycles with proper recovery and time off and I dont think you’d have an issue returning to normal. It really does take several cycles to fuck things up, or a few cycles with not enough time off in between. Just 1 or 2 cycles huh? That never happens, trust me
Great article, just a question that might sound dumb. i need the answer though. im aware that if i did use i probably wouldnt just use once…but lets say i did. i do the plan as said above and eat and pct almost to perfection. never touch another steroid in my life – how much of that lean mass would i keep? would i gradually lose it over time? would it just be like now, just like maintaining my physique now? for example..if i want to gain i obviously eat over my metabolic caloric intake – if i eat the same exact macros i would stay the same size. what im basically saying is if i gain 20 lbs lets say lean muscle – i do pct perfectly training etc – eat the same as i did before cycle, would i lose it? keep? or is it genetics
You will only keep a couple lbs of muscle, if that. No matter how right you do everything, you simply cannot keep the muscle that was put on through an anabolic environment you will never be able to duplicate naturally. That is the real truth right there. Now, if you cycle a few times and over the course of a couple years pack on 30 lbs, then yes you would keep some, but this is not from the gear. This is from a physiological change where the body walked around massive enough for so long that it became the new norm. But just a single cycle for 8-12 weeks and never again? Nah, I doubt you’d keep anything
That is false. If he takes a cycle and passes his natural limit then we will lose all of the muscle above his natural limit. Say his natty limit is 190 and he is 170. If he puts on 30 lbs of muscle from his cycle he will lose that extra 10 lbs but keep the 20 because he hasn’t passed his natural limit.
You are misunderstanding me here, I was talking about keeping gains from the cycle, not what someone genetically would have achieved anyways. 1 vial isn’t going to push a guy past his natural limit anyways, if he started it weighing 170 lbs. Even an ectomorph can get to over 200 lbs naturally, I’ve seen guys with the worst genetics in the world for bodybuilding stack up around 210 lbs naturally.
so you are saying i would keep them or not? i am so lost lol. maybe i should provide some backround stats. i am 19 six foot in height, and i weigh 149 with 8 percent bf. so if i took a cycle and gained 20 lbs of muscle lets say, and i kept my diet the same as i was on cycle, i would keep it correct? theres no way 170 is my natty limit haha
Hey doe, i was told you can use test to cut if you use it in small doses like 1/2 cc a week for 10-15 weeks. You think thats true? Also if using low doses one prob wouldnt need to use clomid or any gyno treatment?
Damn man, if you want my opinion you dont need steroids right now. If you’re only 149 lbs at 6 foot and only 8% bodyfat you can grow much more by eating more, especially at 19 years old. I mean, I started training at 21, I was 165 lbs (a bit fat) at 6 foot too and in a year I was 190-195 lbs while being much leaner, I gained like 45-50 lbs of muscles while losing fat. you can do it to.
Thank youuuu! I really appreciate that you posted this. My boyfriend is about to start his first cycle and I’ve been a nervous mess about it, after reading your page, I feel a lot better and more informed about the whole situation. Thank you..you have no idea how helpful this was.
He is going to want sex a lot, u better be ready
This is a difficult question to answer. You would most likely keep a little but that is because you would have grown anyways since you’re still newer at this. As to say what was keepable and what wasn’t STRICTLY from the cycle, you really can’t because you’re starting it way too early. Honestly you are diving into it much too soon and you.will only.be shortchanging yourself on gains.
Hey John, I am 38, 6’4 258pds. Not all fat, but could stand to lose some. I have no energy, & sex drive is well, so-so. I haven’t been in a gym in almost a year. As a first timer, thinking about a cycle. What are your thoughts? Thanks in advance.
Nope, get back in the gym consistently first and clean up the eating. I’d go at it hard for 3/months, at that point if I saw no improvements in sex drive and overall well being I’d go get my hormone levels tested. You can naturally raise your levels once you get back into it. I wouldn’t even bother with a cycle rt now unless you’re willing to get a script and stay on testosterone. All a cycle will do is drive you further into the dirt. Get it back naturally at first, or if your levels are very low then jump on test now. But as far as cycling on/off goes, it’s worthless once you get past your mid 30’s
Is 18 years old too young for starting a test enanthate cycle? Been lifting for about a year.
Yes, do yourself a favor and wait until you’ve been in the gym at least another couple years. You can still gain a lot more on your own, a cycle will only short change you if u start now
what do you mean by short change? like temporary gains
Here is what I mean; let’s say you are under your genetic limit when you start your cycle. Now you’re up 20 lbs from the cycle, but still either under your genetic limit or at it. When the cycle is discontinued you are going to crash and your natural levels will be lower. Now you’re spending a lot of time and effort to get back to where you were before, with less natural testosterone, which will make things more difficult. If you started a cycle when you were peaked out genetically, the starting point resumes at the genetic peak after the cycle is over with.
To put it in a nutshell, once you gain over 200 lbs naturally LEAN (if you are of average height of 5’8-6′ tall)then you’re ready for a first cycle. Until then, keep going hard with proper nutrition and food. With only 1.5 yrs into it, I think you can still do a lot more on your own
Btw what do you think about this video? Is it true we cannot keep gains when off steroids? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_EQxDP8KhE
I agree with bio on that, biotraining is a good channel, that dude is honest
and also shouldn’t you take something like nolvadex during cycle to prevent gyno? still need to do a lot more research before really considering taking it I know
It wouldn’t hurt to use a little nolvadex or arimadex, but I would be hard pressed to see anyone getting gyno from the dosages in that cycle.
Say a guy already got a minor bit of Gyno in the past. It’s cleared up now but I definitely don’t want to deal with that again.
In the future you want to stay away from androgenic steroids and stick to anabolic steroids. Androgenics are drugs that aromatize. You definitely don’t want to be using things like dbols and anadrols, and personally I would stay away from other forms of testosterone except test propionate, test enanthate, and test cypionate, but use them in moderate amounts. I would make sure I was using nolvadex from beginning to end of cycle, and throughout PCT. Gyno never truly goes away without surgery, it just goes down and flares back up.
Hey Doe..i’m 22yo 80kg 1m80 high and i’ve never been on gear before and i’m considering to hit my first cycle by end of july..what would you recommend..?
ive though about:
weeks 1-6 dbol at 30 ed
weeks 1-12 testE/testC (what are the real difference between those two BTW and which one would be best for a first timer)
weeks 1-12 Adex every other day (recommend dosage)
weeks 13 nothing
i’d like to know your recommended first cycle though
Just use testosterone for your first cycle. There is no reason to include other compounds when you can gain like crazy off just 1. I’m a firm believer in using as little as possible, just enough to make some gains.
as little as possible you mean 250 / week..?
Many many thanks for the advice BTW
I’d just do an 8 wk cycle in the same format I’ve layed out in my post, only difference is your using 250mg test instead of 200mg test. A solid 8 wk pyramid would do fine
By ‘pyramid’ did you mean up the doses each week yeah..?
How about the pct..only clomid 1 tab for 20 days..?
I just stumbled unto this site a couple of days ago and i must say Nice Work you got here.
Well, fitness has become a lifestyle for me now, working out for almost 4 years now(6 days a week, day 7 would be rest and cheat day for me. ha!). I used to be obese fat(220 lbs @ 5’8). And now i can actually boast that im at a solid 170 lbs at around 9% BodyFat(well i just rely on the mirror, can see pretty well my 6 pack).
To be honest, i was thinking of starting a cycle(hence coming up into this page and eventually to this site.). I just think that i have reached my natty limits(if there is such a thing) and im already at a plateau with my gains. Dont get me wrong here, but i want to go to that next stage. I was referred to Test E(10 wk cycle) with clomid and nolva as PCT.
Any advice you can give a newbie here? To tell you honestly, i dont rely on supplements etc for bodybuilding. i get it from whole foods. I was also told that the right age would be around 24-25. im currently 21 right now(but looking at my gains, i dont look like one.
Also, i wanna know if you agree with the statement, “there’s no such thing as one cycle”. I dont wanna get hooked into this kind of stuff. Like i said, i just want to jumpstart my gains again.
Thanks man and more power!
I wouldn’t be against it, not if I had 4 years in the gym with consistency. Normally I’d agree, 24-25 years old is better, but there are exceptions. When I was 19 years old I was 205 lbs and fairly lean, I was getting close to the peak of whatever I as going to do naturally. And yes, 10 wks of just testosterone is best for a first cycle. Clomid and nolva is good for PCT
Hi, I have some questions that I hope you can help me with. I’m still.studying the effects this would have on my body before plunging, but your input would mean a lot to me.
First I am 19 5-11 170-175 lbs @ around 8 to 9 1/2% bf. Im wondering if I do this cycle if ill keep at least most of my gains permanently. I play basketball and do track and workout with the football team before basketball practice. I started lifting about a year and a half ago, but under the guidence of a great strength and conditioning coach and a passion for learning I lift well as in proper form reps etc. I hope I didn’t confuse you with all this extra info I just want to paint as clear of a picture possible for you to answer.
Second, how are the risks for side affects with this program over other cycles.
And last if I can 250 mg per ml vial is that a better decision than 200 mg per ml.
Sorry I forgot this too, which website would suggest to be safest, best quality, fairly reasonably priced to buy from.
A quick reply is appreciated but as long as I get some answers to my questions I appreciate it.
Have a nice day, Robert
You will not keep much for permanent gains, very little. This is like saying that you’re getting x amount of money on returns from the stock market even though the market fell 10%. It just doesn’t work that way, you will find that you have to cycle over and over again. I would’nt nit pick over whether or not it was 200mg or 250mg, just get something. I do not give out sources nor provide anyone as a source, other than knowledge I’m a source for nothing. But if you really want to know how to acquire them safely, I’d suggest purchasing “Becoming the Bull” in a few weeks when it releases
Also I intend on this being my only cycle, as you say more than likely it wont be but if you can answer my question under the assumption that is my only cycle, I just wantto make a push to ensure i have a shot at a good d2 school scholarship to not burden my patents financially.
Thanks again for your help
What sport are you trying to get a scholarship on? Increased size may hurt you if you’re not careful
I’m 32 and I have worked out off and on over the years. I’m 5-10 170 on a good day. The most I can gain on my own seems to be 10lbs. It would be my first cycle, I’m mostly concerned abt gyno and if I’m cheating myself by doing a cycle now and vs spending more time the gym and eating like an animal which is difficult with my schedule. What’s your best recommendation for me. I’ve read I should take Arimidex with the cycle how do you feel any that?
Get your ass in the gym more and start eating, stop making excuses. Everyone has a busy schedule, it’s not just you. I know a professional bodybuilder who often puts in 14-15 hr days at work on his feet all day, and that is outside in the hot weather, or the cold winters. Hitting a needle isn’t going to do a damn thing for discipline, that’s for sure. Arimadex on a cycle is fine, if it’s not a heavy dosed cycle you dont need much, 1mg every other day should suffice
Would hcg do many any good alone or no? It should at least maximize how much T my body can produce naturally and if so how much?
I’m 27yrs. 6ft 195lbs. worked all my life doing asphalt paving and farming. I’m already pretty built. I ran a cycle of finaplex, when I was 23 and picked up 25lbs from it. I’m at my peak it seems like and want to run another cycle. I’m wanting to get big now(bulk up). would I be best with d-bol or deca (injecting them)???? Is it ok to inject in the peck? Clomid or arimidex during the cycle or after? And are those a over the counter tablet you can find on a shelf? thanks for your time. what you are doing takes a lot of time but there’s no telling how many people you have keeped from doing something stupid or dangerous.
I’d go with 25 mg/day dbol and 300mg a week of DECA, along with 300-500mg/wk test. Run a 10 wk cycle of that while using dbol the first 4-6 wks of the cycle. Arimadex at 1/2- 1 mg each day would be a good move. Start clomid 2 wks after your last shot and run for 3 wks. I’d just go with 50mg a day for 3 wks
Yes you can inject into your pecs, but it’s a tough injection. I found that it took a good bit of force to punch though my chest sheath even with a needle. Arimadex and clomid is not over the counter unfortunately. If you don’t have access to them then your next best choice would be 5 grams/day of tribulus along with some D-aspartic acid, which are both OTC
Good morning John,
If one doesn’t have access to an AI on cycle what would you reccomend? I seee above you said Tribulus and D-Asparitic Acid but I assume that was for a PCT?
Currently on 400mg/week (shot every 4th day) of TestC and EQ 400mg/week (shot every 4th day).
Taking them together in one pin.
I do not have an AI on hand but I am taking a supplement called H.A.F. BLACK by ASL professional strength. It helps manage estrogen control, Lean Muscle Growth and Aids Cortisol Reduction. I am also taking Omegas, Liver Factors and Adrenal Revolution by Muscle Sport.
First cycle so I am looking to run it about 8-12 weeks.
I’d recommend Red-PCT, using 1 capsule per day on cycle, for post cycle therapy you want to increase to 3 caps/day for 30 days straight. So to use it during the cycle and post cycle you’ll need 2 bottles of it, but it’s better to be safe than sorry and keep that estro in check when you’re on
John it’s Adam again. I’ve got 2 really important questions for you. Number 1 is, I keep getting pop up’s while I’m on steroid web site’s about buying steroids tablets from certain labs or other site’s. Are these fake steroid’s??? I’m just trying to figure out how they could possible be able to sale me the d-bol and deca I need. On top of it, they look like their made in a nice lab. Bottles are labeled and everything. I’m sure you’ve seen what im talking about. Getting my stuff isn’t a problem. It’s not knowing what dirty basement they were made in, in mexico. You never know what you’r really getting when you buy a liquid in a bottle. Number 2, What is a normal price for the cycle you mentioned of d-bol, deca, test??? IF I’m correct a 10 wk cycle of test at 400mg a week, should be 20cc. Will the bottle of test read 20 cc, 4,000mg, or ml? Just trying to know what is a normal price and how many cc’s each bottle should have in them before I hand someone $600 so I don’t get screwed. This is a new connection I’m trying out.
Instead of clomoid can I pct with novelex I cant seem to get my hands on any clomoid at the moment, thanks john.
Yes, its not the same as clomid but its better than nothing
Hey john, can you check out my last post? Had a couple questions for you that’s really important. thanks again man!
Adam, first off don’t even waste your money on those pop up sites, it’s all fake!! The way to most safely get real anabolics is to join a steroid chat forum and look at the posts on the sources. You will read reviews and hear about who is good and who is not.
Second off, yes you stand correct on the dosages and bottle sizes. The bottle should say “Nandrolone Decanoate, 200mg(Deca)” or something along those lines. It’s always the compound name followed by the dosage per mg. Some sources sell 20 ml vials as well as 10 ml vials. So if you were running 400mg/wk then yes,you’d need 2 vials for 10 weeks.
Normal prices have a wide range of variation, but typically you’re looking at around $50-$90 per vial, and .50-$1 a tab for something like DBOL. A 10 week cycle of 400mg/wk test, 200mg/wk deca, and 30 mg/day DBOL, including proper post cycle therapy, you’re looking at around $400 give or take, to do it properly.
Hope this helps answer your questions, train hard. John
Hey John my question is I have been on a cycle for 9wks should I start my nova 10 days after my last injection or should I just take it with the clomid 2wks after my injection
I would start using it right now, and continue on for 3-4 weeks post cycle. The reason why is because anytime you supplement with testosterone estrogen will naturally want to increase along with testosterone. So even though you have a test level maybe 4x higher than it should be, that estrogen can still creep up with it. So I’d get on it now to start bringing that estrogen under control and prepare your body ahead of time and prevent any estrogen “rebound” which is almost always normal finishing a cycle. Most guys are going to get their gyno post cycle, not on cycle.
Hi I’m just started on test c 250 I’m stabbing 1 mill a week for 10 weeks in my right arss I’m working out best I can was just wonder if I need any treatment after my course if so what for and what is it. Also will i get roid rage after 10 week taking it or while taking it THANKS
You may be a little more edgy/aggressive from stress brought on by added hormones but I wouldn’t call it “roid rage”. As for any treatment, clomid will suffice and arimadex could be used as a safeguard to prevent any sort of rebound in estrogen levels. Is not having arimadex going to make you or break you? IO no, not on only 250mg/wk, but it certainly wouldn’t hurt
Question, I’m 6:3 385, 54% bf, I’m looking for a good cycle to help me burn this fat off, I’m 26?
just diet, you don’t need steroids to lose weight, and they wont help
First of all your site is fantastic! I’ve learned so much more from your site than all the forums on the net!
I’m starting my first cycle in October. I’ll be using sustanon 250 (10 week cycle) kick starting the cycle with methestdrol (superdrol clone)
Would it be best to inject 250ml of sustanon every 5 days using 20mg of superdrol (every day) for the first 4 weeks?
Nolva and clomid for pct.
I’m 29, 14 stone in weight, 4 years lifting experience.
Any advice would be fantastic, many thanks.
no, you need to inject sustanon more frequently than once every 5 days. You wont be getting the full benefit of the test propionate ester if you only go once every 5 days, not to mention you’re going to have more chance of side effects such as acne with a hormone fluctuation from an injection schedule that isn’t frequent enough. I’d go twice/wk on it, every Monday and Thursday and or something like that. Yes, leave the superdrol just at 4 weeks, its harsh on your liver
Thanks for getting back to me.
Really appreciate it.
I’ll inject every monday and thursday then (i was hoping you’d say once a week, so i don’t feel like a pin cushion) lol
Is there anything similar that i could use instead of sust that only needs to be injected once a week?
You need to be using testosterone enanthate or testosterone cypoionate, you can inject those once/wk. Personally I never liked sustanon much anyways, I never felt like it was a steady time release of the 4 different esters. One day I’d feel up, the next day I’d feel in the dirt
Hey there Doe..first..hats off to this great site u’ve got here.
I’ve been stagnant through my workouts these days I’m actually 22 and i have four solid years of training, i carry at about 10-15% bodyfat and i’m currently 176lbs and i think i’ve probably reach my genetic limits so i thought of the ‘big boys way’ could help me out.
since i’ve never been on juice before i’ve been out there in forums where they suggested test Dbol Drol ect..well i think you are a genuine one so i’d like to get some advice from you for a first cycle..help me out bro.
Just use testosterone for your first run. I myself used 1 bottle for 8 wks, but most guys go 500mg a wk for 8-10 wks. I myself still believe in a 1/bottle pyramid for your first cycle. I like the idea of trying to get the most you can on as little gear as possible. It only allows more growth down the road
Yeah i do have a friend of mine whose first cycle was Drol and susta (IDK about the dosages) but actually he’s like he was before he lost all of em gains probably shitty PCT.
Anyways for a 8 wk TestC what PCT would you recommend ?
any Adex to keep gyno away during cycle..?
Can a 30year old, 140lbs and 15%bfat do this cycle? Been training for 4years but never done steroid, probably the 1st here..
yea but I’d really look at your diet first, you could gain more naturally first. I’ve seen the worst of the worst naturally skinny guys get over 200 lbs naturally
Can you jump off Testestrone after you did a 3 week cycle! Which for us was 3 injections? Also, If we were continuing to go for the 8 weeks is it bad if we skipped days around! For each week? Thanks for your time
If i were to jump off after this third injection did i already loose my Natural Testrone? If soo i can i gain it back?
Why would you jump off cycle? Why not finish it out? You wanted to use it, you bought it, now commit to it. But if you absolutely feel like a junkie and want to quit, I highly doubt you’d be fully shut down
I am doing it with two other kids and they are giving it to me for free bc they already did a cycle 4 months ago and had alot left over so they asked me if i wanted to jump on so i did. We been doing it for three weeks 1CC a week but this fourth week the kid isnt answering what ahould i do? Should i take Clomid to get my levels back to normal or just not take anything ?
Sorry for the long comment but also this would be the fourth week and i am a couple days late injecting the TEST! I an just worried it is going to mess me up so do you gave any advice what to do? THANKS
how much test do you have left? If you’re about to run out then my advice is to just use a 1/2cc this week, and another 1/2cc next week to avoid any potential crash
You dont need anything, your probably not shut down yet. Future lesson, dont begin your cycle unless you have everything for it.
It’s not as bad as you’d think, as long as you didn’t go longer than a week without. And that is mainly because of sides such as bad skin and acne
What dosage would you recommend? (Keeping in mind its my first cycle)
And how do i keep the water retention to a minimum? Priviron?
Sorry for all the questions.
And how long would you say the cycle needs to be?
I’d recommend my 1 vial cycle for beginners protocal. As for water retention, you won’t have much at all. I wouldn’t worry about that, I’d just get a bottle of test and some clomid.
I’d go by my one vial cycle for your first run. I’d do it for 8 weeks, and water shouldn’t be much of an issue on that cycle and the doses. If you’d feel better running arimadex or nolvadex then go for it, 1mg arimadex every other day or 10/day of nolvadex should suffice. Arimadex can be run every other day
Thanks very much for all your help bro!
no problem bud, good luck!!
My doc put me on 250ml/2 weeks of test cyp for trt. Considering the half life of this compound, would it be better to use once a week? 38 yr old male. 5’10” 175lbs. Train regularly.
BC, he has you right at 125mg/wk which is normal TRT for most men. The primary reason a Doc will go one injection every 2 weeks is because most men are pussies and dont want to inject themselves, and it gets you in there more so they can ding your insurance. Fortunately my Dr. lets me do my own injections. But yes, once/wk will level you out more, once every two weeks would have me feeling sort of shitty come day 10 or 11, I would go 125mg once/wk
Hit the nail right on the head. After my first injection I felt great. However, at about day 10 or 11 after, I could noticeably feel different, like I was “coming down” or something. I’ll ask to go the self-administered route every week instead of two. Is it recommended to take some sort of AI w/ a trt dose??
Hey John Doe,
Love your blog and the information it provides. Have a quick question if I may. I just got diagnosed with low testosterone and am awaiting my doctor’s appt for treatment. Been wanting to try this out but couldn’t get my hands on T but it now seems that wil no longer be an issue
My question is – should I wait until the doctor and I have my current low T levels up to a more normal standard before trying this one vial cycle or can I do this right off the bat once I get my testosterone prescription filled?
My primary doc feels like I will have to be on T for the rest of my life as my levels have been low for quite sometime now (I’ve had him checking as I’m always tired, have a low sex drive and been weightlifting hard for a year now with very little progress to show for it).
Also, is the clomid really needed or can I do without it?
Thanks in advance for any advice – I really appreciate it!!!
This is what you need to do; usually the Dr. is going to have your bloodwork done once every 12 weeks. There is “normal test replacement and then there is a “cycle” Dont start anything until you get on test replacement, and as soon as you’re on it throw in an additional 300mg/wk of testosterone for 8 weeks. Come off it after 8 weeks and then drop to 100mg/wk of test to continue your hormone therapy. After 4 weeks of just 100mg, and the half life of your additional testosterone dropping, you should be able to come right in at normal your next bloodwork. You want to keep your cycles right around 8 weeks if you’re throwing in extra testosterone.
Fuck living with no energy or sex drive!! You’ll be glad you did this. Also, something else you can talk to your Dr. about is a maintenance dose of cialis. It’ll help you out in the gym too, it’ll make your veins bust out everywhere. Maybe run a maintenance dose of that during your cycle as well. So you’re on test for life now, congrats!! Welcome to the club, it fucking rules!!
So if I’m understanding you correctly I’m adding an additional 300mg/wk of testosterone for 8 weeks ON TOP OFF whatever my doc prescribes as soon as my therapy begins correct?
Now when you say: “Come off it after 8 weeks and then drop to 100mg/wk of test to continue your hormone therapy.”
Does that mean I am dropping the additional 300mg/week down to an additional 100mg/wk for 4 weeks ON TOP OFF whatever my doc had prescribed for me weekly or simply drop it down to 100mg/week period?
Also, if this “cycle” is allowing me to just hit normal T levels will I see any of the muscle gains you describe at the beginning of the article?
My initial thoughts were once I have my prescription filled to simply follow the cycle described in the article and then heading back to revisit the doctor and continuing whatever therapy he prescribes after the cycle was completed.
Which approach do you feel would provide the best results (the one in the article or the one you provided me in your response here) with the primary goal of working hard and building as much muscle as possible?
I was also curious in general how permanent the additional muscle growth is assuming one continues to work out once the cycle has ended.
I really do appreciate all the help!!!
Hey John, I’d like to include proviron in this cycle.
tell me what do you think about that and can you please suggest a way in doing so (in terms of dosage and frequency should it be taken).
Proviron can be an expensive addition to a cycle, but its good stuff and hardens you out nicely. I’d use 100mg/day, you can get by with 50/day but 100 mg really bangs
Ok John – all this info is almost overwhelming yet every educational & I’ve comsumplated this idea for many, many yrs now. I’m now 44 in fairly good shape but torn my pec & put on abt 20lbs. I’ve taken abt 15 off. I’m 44, 5″9″ 210. Bad idea or what would you recommend if I’m going to actually entertain the idea. If I’m going to do it. I have to do it now if I have the option.
Hey thx for the info Mr. Joe.. but i got a question
i am 24 years old, around 5´11 around 190 with 18 % bf or somewhere there, i have always been naturally athletic but struggle on the quest of gaining muscle.. and i got a bit curious on the cycle u pointed out here.
The thing is, if i did the cycle u just pointed out here, will i become dependent on it forever? lets say am willing to do it for once or twice a year as you suggested, but will it be effective in a progressive manner or later on i would have to take all this complex cycles and combinations.. i mean am not looking for a top bodybuilding physique but at least somewhere in the 200-215 lbs range with 10-15 % bf..
At your age you would bounce back and recover if you did it properly, didn’t abuse it, and did proper post cycle recovery. 1 OR 2 CYCLES PER YEAR you could most likely get away with for a few years. I have a friend who is 26 years old and competed at a high level in bodybuilding, but he has not done just moderate dosages. He took his testosterone to 2,000mg/wk among a host of other drugs, and now he just got married and is thinking about kids in the future. He has been off everything for almost 4 months now, and his sex drive is totally gone and he hasn’t started to bounce back yet. I think he can still come back but for him it’s going to take a very long time. Now had he stuck with 500mg/wk of test he may have been back by now.
To answer your question on whether cycling is progressive or not, I’d have to say no. Your first cycle is going to be your best cycle, from that point the gains will be much slower. I have always stuck with beginner dosages and rarely went much higher on anything, I never had to.
Okay, thank you Sir for the response.. i think i am going to do it, since i really just want to enter a more anabolic environment and not necessarily become a freak.. my guess is that in these low doses u can build/maintain preety well.
its easier to adjust to it, and to come off it
I found your article and suggestion very much educating. Thanks..
Now my question is ” I am 32 year old and is beginner to gym. Is it safe to go for steroid at this time or I must wait and spend some more time in gym before starting it”
I found your article and suggestion very much educating. Thanks..
Now my question is ” I am 32 year old and is beginner to gym. Is it safe to go for steroid at this time or I must wait and spend some more time in gym before starting it”
Please guide me as I am very confused.
Thanks for educating so much over such issue. I would be more thankful to you for clearing my doubt which is as below..
“I am 32 year old, 172 inches, 190 Lbs and a beginner in gym. My trainer have advised me to go for beginners cycle of testosterone but i am confuse about using it. so can it be started or i should wait and spend some more time in gym before going for it. if so at least how much year experienced athlete should start it. Pleas enlighten the issue.
no reason to turn to steroids yet, take advantage of what you can gain naturally. I’d give it a solid 3 years first
Thank you very much sir..
First off your website has done wonders to my knowledge about gear. I am only 19 years old at exactly 5’9″ and a half an inch, and just stepped on the scale after urination in morning naked and weigh 155 lbs flat.. I am going into my second year of college this fall. I have been injured since November when I broke my hand. After that I fractured my collar bone and tore tendons in my shoulder. The worst fucking luck, I know. (At around 14-15% body fat due to injuries) But anyway I had been lifting for a solid year and a half to two years of good lift prior to November of 2013. The most I ever weighed was 167 pounds my senior year in high school but under different conditions. I worked at a job which required very little labor but now work as a waiter which requires me to stand on my feet all day. I was also throwing up daily from the amount of calories and food I was eating. I don’t want to sound like a complainer but I literally was eating to my full potential. I lost about 13 pounds in 2 months(maybe less) after giving up on eating. I do not plan on going on gear for at least another 6-12 months of being back in the gym when I recover. I also want to make this a very big point, I only want to do one cycle for a boost and never touch gear again in my life. I know you say otherwise for people talking about using gear for one cycle but if I can get my boost and keep it, I will never touch it again, I promise. Originally I would have ran a 10 week cycle of Test E and dbol for the first 4 weeks and then used novla/clomid for PCT until reading your article saying just to run test for a beginner. I want to know your advice on whether or not one cycle in my lifetime would get me gains I would keep, along with if it is a good idea. I also don’t know the dosage that would be best for me. 200 mg/week was what I have found through research. Thank you a tremendous amount. Sorry for writing enough to make the bible enjoyable. Hope my information was enough.
I wouldn’t use them yet. I’ve seen people with terrible genetics for bodybuilding get up over 200 lbs naturally. I’d say 95% of people can get over 200 lbs naturally, even the worst of skinny guys. If you don’t get over 200 lbs with food and hard training, you probably wont with a bottle of testosterone either. Give it more time
I also want to input that I have been 155 lbs for almost 3 years which is why I am afraid I am up to my generic limit. My father was 140-160 pounds from ages 18-28. Then America’s fat ass changed that. Thanks again.
I am very very glad I found this article. I am 20 years old and have been lifting for nearly 3 years. I don’t plan on being a pro bodybuilder but fitness is my passion and this is my lifestyle. I lift 5 days a week, eating 6-8 solid meals a day. I’m 6’0 tall and 187 pounds. My first two years lifting I had a coach who has been lifting for 10 years and I put on serious weight naturally but now I’m ready for a cycle.
A good buddy of mine recently got off a cycle that to me just doesn’t seem right..I guess you could say he made some gains but the dosages and stuff doesn’t seem like it would benefit me.
After seeing this article I really think I’m going to engage in this simple, easy first cycle. I will literally follow exactly what you said to the tee. I’m going to eat even more and train even harder.
Now the only real concern I have is what I have been hearing around…when I finish this cycle, whether I want to or not, do I really have to go on another cycle? Lets say I have great recovery and my PCT went perfect, and lets say in the future I decide to do another cycle that’s a little more complex..will I have to be on TRT for the rest of my life? What if this is my first and only cycle? I don’t get why I would have to use test for the rest of my life..cause I DONT want to have to pin myself until I die.
That is my only concern. If after this cycle my test levels go back to normal..am I okay? I will be getting blood work before and after.
Thank you. Please get back to me.
You may keep SOME of your gains, but it will usually take more cycles to get BEYOND what that 1 cycle had gotten you. No, you wont need to be on hormone replacement the rest of your life because you did a few cycles when you were in your 20’s. It’s when you begin doing cycle after cycle after cycle, and you stop taking enough time off between them. With proper PCT and this cycle I’ve mentioned you should have no issues
I have a question are all steroids oily or not.? Cuz i just got a bottle they hs d to rip off the label cuz of the fact it’s illegal and i have never seen or have done it but I’m about to do my first cycle. In this stuff is clear
Thanks man. Not that I plan on going on it now but I would just like to know what you recommend. I’ve heard to keep the most weight put on during cycle would be 12 week cycle of test E and the first four weeks dbol but I see you always say to just do trst E first for starters. But say come January-march of 2015 I do this cycle of test E and dbol and then the same cycle in January-march of 2016 (because I read your comments with Olympus saying you would need to cycle one more time). Would I keep the weight I put on in those two cycles? Or by the time 2016 comes I would’ve lost it all? Thanks a lot man sorry if I’m confusing you
I dont get confused that easy man, I hear you. I’m not saying you will lose it all, but the level of muscularity you put on beyond what natural looks like will be minimal. Nobody walking around the gym that big and defined ever did a couple cycles and stopped, that is for damn sure
If I use this exact cycle only twice in two years and never use it again, will I lose the weight i put on? Also by the time I hit my second cycle will I have lost my gains from the first cycle? Thanks a lot
I’d say if done right, with proper PCT, and hard training with adequate food intake, you MIGHT keep 50% of your size from your first cycle. Maybe an identical cycle will push you beyond a little more, but you probably wont see the same rate of gains from the first cycle. My first cycle was my best cycle, hands down. What you have to understand is the determining factor in growing or maintaining a certain size is how long you can walk around at that size until you body gets used to it. The longer you can hold over 200 lbs, the less likely your body will go back to 175 lbs.
I feel like I understand most of it but just two more dumb questions; If I were to take this cycle for 8 weeks and then 12-16 weeks later the same cycle, I still will just keep 50% of the total two cycles weight I put on? Also is the weight lost shown a lot in size because my friend just came off a very similar cycle and weighed 150 and gained 30 pounds but lost 10 after a few months but he looks still 30 pounds heavier rather than 20. Thanks a lot again brother really appreciate it
Bud, I can’t say exactly what you’ll keep and what you wont keep. There are too many factors involved (genetics, age, food intake, training, sleep, recovery) You may keep 70% of it like your friend, you may not. But I will tell you this; steroid use is a system of diminishing returns. That same cycle done again will not put 20 lbs on you. You probably wont gain 20 lbs again with that cycle AND something else with it.
Also 180 lean is what I’m looking to stay at. and forgot to mention again that after the two cycles I don’t plan on using again. Thanks again
I told myself I’d never use more than 1 cycle. Look at me now, I’m telling guy’s how to use steroids, haha!!
Hahaha yeah I see everyone commenting asking similar questions about dropping steroids after a few cycles. But it sounds like if you start one cycle you have to continue cycling in order to maintain even with proper PCT and a caloric surplus, am I right?
Yes, you will keep some degree of size through changes to your body over the long haul, but to say you will gain x amount of muscle and keep that amount when the anabolic environment just isn’t the same is nonsense. It’s like trying to get the same rate of return in a crashing stock market, doesn’t happen
Lmao your way of explaining is hilarious but also crystal clear. Thanks really appreciate it
^^^ this isn’t really true. I’ve done almost this exact cycle, 3 times and kept 30 pounds from 35 I gained. The 5 lost was just some water. With proper pct and training there is no reason to be unable to keep the weight put on. I’m a big fan of your website and also a firm believer of using the least gear to show benefits rather than insane results. This cycle is minimum gear and I love it. I did it 3 times and don’t plan on doing it again I’m at 185 after the 3 cycles. Maybe I 185 was my genetic limit and that is why I kept 30? Please correct me if I’m wrong. Thanks and keep training!
If you started using steroids at 155 lbs and your 185 now then you were not at your genetic limit to begin with and the 30 lbs you had kept was put on through almost all training and food. If this were the case then you’d have 300 lb monsters walking around all over the place and they wouldn’t be spending thousands of dollars every year to try to build, let alone maintain. Trust me dude, 3 bottles of test didn’t give you 30 sustainable lbs of muscle, no way no how. It was your genetics and chances are you were going to get to 185 lbs anyways
Yeah but there was no way the weight put on wasn’t from the test. I had been trying to gain weight for years and couldn’t. The gear helped me get there quicker. That’s why I was asking if because I kept it is because I was under my genetic limit
exactly dude, you were definitely not at your genetic limit. Also, lets be honest here, most guys start paying closer attention to their food and training when using gear since they want to make the most of a cycle (at least I know I do!!) So you probably put a little more into it during your cycle I’m guessing, which may have also had a big impact.
Hey John i am coming to my last week on Test and i am wondering what should i take to get my natural Test levels back tomorrow? Clomid and Nolva? And should i take a pct
Also i just got off a prohormone called Super DMZ 3.0 this past tuesday and tomorrow i am doing my last Injection of Test. I was wondering should i took my PCT after the DMZ or is waiting to get of the Test okay?
if it’s a long chain test such as cypionate or enanthate, or even sustanon, then you want to wait 2 weeks before you begin your PCT. Let most of it get out of your system first, this way you’re doing PCT based on your current natural levels, not what you’ve added through synthetic means. Those half lives from the injections can take some time to clear. 2 wks friend!!
yes, clomid and nolvadex. I’d hit the clomid for 20 days at 50mg/day and 20mg/day of nolvadex for 1 month.
So about the prohormone should i just wait the two weeks to take a PCT because dont i have to let the Test E get out of my body I just dont want to get Gyno. And also in the next two weeks should i take the clomid and nolvadex with the pct or should i start those two tomorrow?
Wait 2 weeks to start
Thanks John for all the info. I have read every single answer you’ve given to other bros , at least twice. I am hoping to hit you through another angle. I am 35 and hoping to do my first cycle. I have been training naturally for about 11years. Since I just wanted to put on about 2-5pounds of muscle max every year , so that i can control where the muscle goes to, I was wondering, is there a way to do just about half of the dose or just half the time?
Not worth it at all, follow the plan as layed out, it’s already very low dosed. I’m saying this because if you’re going to shut your own production down temporarily (or nearly shut down) then at least get something out of it. Half the dosing of what I’ve laid out isn’t enough, this is just enough.
On 200 ml a week trt and my body responds very well to this I have lifted daily for 35 plus years. I am 6 ft 253 12% body fat… I think I am strong for my age 550 bench squat over 450 for reps Ect. Looking at doing a 300ml test a wk and 40 var a day for 8 WK. My body always responds extremely well to test…. I have Clomid as well my question is do I wait two weeks and do Clomid for 20 days then go back on my normal trt. Or forget the Clomid and just go back to my trt….Great site Thank You…. Please reply to my email if you can.
Nah man, u don’t need clomid. All I’d do is drop back to a normal test replacement for about 4-6 wks of 100-150mg wks, then ramp back up to 200/wk. Also start donating blood on the regular if you’re not already. It helps with your heamtocrit and RBC count and is a good safeguard against a potential stroke,
Thank You I appreciate the input I have wondered about that for some time….My doc is clueless to what to do…Thank You….4wks of 100 it is then back to 200….
may want to consider donating blood during this time. This will keep the hematocrit in check as well as the Red blood cells/hemoglobin from creeping up too high
Hello John Doe. I’ve been thinking about running a primo cycle as my first and hopefully last cycle. I’ve read besides cost and timing of results, primo is a lot better than test E. little to no side effects, healthier mass since built slow, and the gains put on is kept a lot longer. I was just confused if 300mg/wk is good enough. And if there is a specific pct to take. Thanks
yea, just use 50mg/day clomid for 20 days. You wont be shut down so bad off just 300mg/wk. Gains will not be anything dramatic, but smooth and steady if you work hard
Should I run this for 8 or 12 weeks? Also is there a specific time I inject? Like before a workout or post? Or maybe on a rest day? Thanks for the info brother
As far as when you inject, it doesn’t matter. It’s not instant so it’s not like injecting an hour before a workout will have any impact that injecting the day before or after will not. I’d run for 8 wks for your first cycle
Thanks man. What do you suggest for hair loss during and after cycles?
For starters, I’d stay clear of steroids that are known to cause hair loss. Anything that raises DHT levels will cause accelerated hair loss IF YOU’RE GENETICALLY PREDISPOSED TO IT. Even higher levels of test can speed up hair loss. You can take finesteride(propecia) at 2mg everyday on cycle to help with this, and get some Nizorol shampoo to use. While I believe the anti hair loss drugs and shampoos are still overrated they will help to some degree.
I’ve been using steroids for the better part of the past 15 years, and I have a receding hairline, but nothing too extreme. My Grandfather on my mom’s side had a terrible receding hairline and male pattern baldness in the back of his head at my age, much worse than mine. My brother who is 4 years younger than me and natural, has it to the same degree I do, and he has never used anything. You may just be starting to lose some anyways due to age and genetics.
I do have balding in my family but am only 20 years old. I’ve been researching gear for years but felt too young(still am I know) but now I’ve trained for about 2 and a half years. I haven’t trained hard in almost a year due to injuries. How long do you suggest I work out for again minimum before injecting? Also for a first timer this small dosage of test you posted would show more results than primo at 300-400/wk?
Yes, primo as a stand alone is pretty weak at 3-400mg. I’d go for the testosterone cycle for your first run. As for when to begin, it’ up to you, Myself, I’d try to get back at it consistently first and only turn to steroids when you feel you are at your limit and cannot gain any more on your own. I’d look at food intake, training, and rest first. If everything was in check then yes, I’d hit a cycle. If any of those were lacking, I would wait.
I’m 47 been in gym for years…on cycle of test 400 a week and tren 300 a week …can’t handle the no sleep thing….haven’t slept more than two hours at night for weeks …wake up ready to put my head through a wall….I’m guess I should stop the tren …but it was very costly andv I have more of it ..
There comes a point where you need to put your health first. I would discontinue it (the tren)
Hey john I’m 28 5’11 200 pounds I hurt my back an need to strength in my core I take 30 mg of oxycodone a day I have a bottle of test 250 e I’m a diesel mechanic an in pretty good shape I take test prescribed by the doc twice a month for low t but want to do a cycle will I be OK on the meds
Yea you will be fine. I’d try to get off that oxy as soon as you can though, stuff is highly addictive
Firstly, I would like to thank you John for having the patience and will to clear all our doubts..
I wanted to ask I am a first time user but I have been lifting for more than 6 years. I am 23 years old , weighing 232 lbs , 5’7, Bf 17%. I always wanted to stay natural as i found for me atleast that gaining muscle was easy( good genes). Everyone in my family is gifted and are naturally strong. The reason why i wasnted to go enhanced is to compete in an upcoming competition, my trainer respects the fact that I wanted to be natural but stated that every single person on stage would be enhanced and no matter how much effort I would put in , I would still b unable to match or surpass their overall look
So I bit the pill and started my first ever cycle. I am using susta 250 and deca durabanol.. basically I am going to reverse pyramid them for 8 weeks with deca being 100mg from week 1 to 3 then bumping up to 200mg from week 4 to 6 and then back to 100mg from week 6 to 8. Susta 250 mg week 1 to 4 then 500mg week 4-6 and then back to 250 mg week 6-8. ( this concludes my bulking phase)
Then starts the cutting phase which is just winstrol 30mg/day and bump it up to 40 mg/day as competition nears. Followed by PCT of clomid 100mg/day for the number of days I was on cycle subsequently minimising the dosage. What do you think?? Also PCT right after the bulking cycle is advisable or should I just wait till I finish the entire cycle till after the competition which is in February of 2015. I already started the cycle last week sept 1st being my first ever needle (broke my virginity). Yours comments and insights would be greatly appreciated and sorry for the long post
and yes I forgot to mention those bloody injections HURT LIKE HELLLL!! I feel almost parleyed , my trainer says that I am just getting used to the foreign substance in my body and with time the pain will subside.
it’s going to leave you a tad sore until you get used to the injections, but shitty gear will cripple you. There is a big difference between normal injection soreness and bad gear. If the site becomes lumped up and hot to the touch then you have an infection and the gear is shit. Just know the difference. Also, some compounds normally hurt more than others
Well, you have almost 6 months to compete. So if you run this for 8 weeks, I would take 8 weeks off, then jump on your cutter the last 8 weeks leading into the show. The winstrol is fine, but I’d add in some testosterone propionate if you can, around 300mg/wk.
thnk u so so much I really appreciate it :)
Thanks for this website it’s incredibke you will spend some of your time to do something like this for people you don’t even know. The world needs more people like you.
I’m 30 and considering a cycle of tren, not looking for anything too major just want to get back in shape and have the energy to play with my daughter on a daily basis. Health wise I’m in great condition just got the heart checked and doc said it was perfect. I tried a cycle of tren about 8 years ago shot on Monday/shot Friday 2cc for 2 weeks felt like Hercules the only time I wasn’t in gym was when I was eating. then a roommate at the time had some law trouble so I regretfully ditched the cycle but it’s what I had to do freedom is too vaulble. I did off cycle correctly but now I take a lot of vitamins mainly for 6-7 different ones for blood flow, coq10, amino acids, fish oil and milk thistle but really want to try tren again so what is your opinion on tren itself, know of any side effects specifically to it? How should I dose if I take the tren? Buddy suggested stacking with 250test but like I said not wanting to be hulk just stout and high energy. I notice you are a fan of test so what’s your advice? Also do you know of anything else good for the liver to add on top of milk thistle?
Tren itself isn’t smart. I don’t like tren personally, it makes me irritable and my sleep is bad. Also, if using tren acetate 2x a week isn t enough, mon/wed/Fri is better
Hi john , iam in thailand at the moment and want to take advantage of easily available steroids whilst training.
I have looked at all, the forums on advice over the years but really got confused to be honest. Now I want to make a real change to body shape so its now or never. Iam 43 260pounds 6 ‘1 , 19 percent body fat , I was thinking of anavar 40 mg a day only cycle could advise if this is good for me personally or an alternative many thanks mike
Anavar at 40mg/day would help with fat loss and muscle retention, but I wouldn’t start using it until you can drop down about 20 lbs on your own first.
Thanks for the reply john ,
I have looked at a lot of starter programs if you like, and they suggest 500mg test per week along with anavar . I guess iam saying I want to get bigger as well.
I can up the cardio to loose the fat. Although iam not in bodybuilder shape iam not bad for my age. Everyone and anyone suggests test as first port of call on your first cycle would you go with this for me personally. Sorry for not explaining my goals i guess iam looking at some advice tailored to getting bigger now whilst upping the cardio to deal with the bf, many thanks mike
Mike, you need to be thinking fat loss here and don’t worry about strength yet. You may get stronger initially if you’re just getting g back into the game, but keep in mind you will be in caloric deficit so the time frame for strength may be minimal. I wouldn’t worry about the scale rt now. The thing is, you will start to actually look bigger as you lose the body fat. The muscles willbe more visible and shaped, so it will gibe the illusion of you looking larger. At 6’1 you can still look very large and muscular at 210-220 lbs. Use weights you can control, and don’t worry about throwing up more lbs each workout just yet
What are your thoughts of pro hormones such as super dmz 2.0
DMZ is one of the better pro hormones out there, but you will still need a post cycle product as it will shut you down just like taking real anabolics. Hell, it practically is an anabolic.
First off thanks for taking the time and answering all our questions for us. I have a question for you and any information would be greatly appreciated, I just started my test c cycle (watson brand) using ur guid lines it’s been 3 days now since my first injection and since my injection day I have had a slight to moderate headache. And excessive sweating especially at night. Now my question is is this normal until my body gets use to the cycle? My BP is in the normal range I am 29 years old 183 lb 5’10 and been in the gym now 9 months good on my diet as we’ll with a cheat day every now and then. Please advise and thank you once again oh and I forgot to mention my T levels are normal.
So basically the same rules apply with pro hormones? Keeping weight and strength put on after a one and only cycle isn’t likely?
you got it
I’ve been doing some reading and found a recommended first cycle that’s is 12 weeks of 250mg of test E every 3 days, 2 weeks off then a 4 week pct of nolvadex 40mg during the first 2 weeks and 20mg the second 2 weeks. Any thoughts on test E vs C and nolva vs clomid?
I was also wondering what doses you recommend for the test C (mg/mL) and clomid (mg per tab), and what dose of nolva you recommend taking and how often/
Follow the layout listed above, most of your test C is 250mg/ml. Clomid comes in 50mg tabs, and I’d use it for 3 weeks post cycle, but dont start it until 2 weeks after your last shot, that way almost all of the testosterone has cleared your system and you can truly recover while not on test at the same time, which will hinder the clomid usage when it’s for recovery. I would take 10mg/day of nolvadex if your using it during your cycle to keep off water weight and if your’re worried about gyno (which definitely should not be an issue on those dosages unless you’re severely gyno prone.) I’d use the nolvadex with the clomid at 10mg/day for 3 wks alongside your clomid
test e and c are very similar, hardly any difference and I don’t value one over another. Cycle looks good to me, but I think 40 mg’s of nolvadex is too much. I myself would use 20mg for 4 weeks. You don’t want estrogen levels TOO LOW, because that can fuck with you as well. As for clomid vs. nolva, both do different things. Use both of them w/ PCT
hey john i have a question for you i just started my first test cycle with the instructions above and all is well the only thing i have noticed is since the day of injection i have been getting mild headaches and i am sweating a little bit more, is this normal until my body gets used to the cycle? i am 5’10 183lb 30 years old im running a straight test c 200mg cycle. normal T levels and good BP. thanks in advance.
You are experiencing what is called “test flu” it’s flu like symptoms that are a reaction to an exogenous source of hormone. It’s common, it goes away as time goes
cool thank you john. you Da Man.
thank you for all of the information, I like the site and the way you lay it all out there.
I am 42, 222 lbs and 15%, no obvious symptoms or feelings of low T. I have been training since I was in my teens for athletics and to generally stay in shape.
My goal is to get bigger and harder than I have ever been able to manage thus far.
I am going to do my first cycle ever in the near future and was thinking about a Test only 2 vial / 10 week cycle at 500 a week. I will run clomid for pct starting wk 14 thru wk 16.
Do you think I should use .25mg Anastrozole ed thru the cycle, and is just the clomid at 50mg a day enough for PCT?
Thanks and keep up the good work.
Anastrozole can’t hurt for keeping water weight off, so yes if you have it then use it. 500mg/wk for 10 wks is a good cycle for a beginner at your age. I think 50mg/day of clomid is fine for what you’re using. If it was a heavier cycle I’d tell you to run 100mg/day the first 10 days of clomid, but I just dont see that being necessary on that cycle. Good luck!!
Joe Im 43 6ft 230lbs, test levels were check came i at 165, doc put me on the patch, the roll on, nothing changed. he finally put me on Test C 2 weeks ago, I am a for college athlete never did anything but work out, I have been on a low carb diet since i started my cycle because I have lst weight in the past this way, I’m not looking to get Jack Swole just get back in shape. My libido is way down and have no energy, freaking always tired, my thyroid and all my levels were fine, this has just started happening over the last year and a half, oh I have sleep apnea and about to get on the CPAP machine, so what are your thoughts and suggestions, as you seemed to be the only one on the damn web that knows anything
Thanks Bro and keep these guy’s from hurting themselves…BP
What dose of test do you get? You should be getting somewhere around 100-150mg/wk I hope. A for low carbs, how low is “low?” I’d suggest keeping them down, but I would incorporate refeed days every 4-5 days and get the carbs back up over 200grams/day. This will help keep a good thyroid function, promote more testosterone, and keep muscle catabolism and cortisol levels down. The CPAP machine should definitely help as well, you’ll sleep more sound and you’ll notice increased rate of fat burning from improved sleep. You may not need it once you get the weight off, but it’s not a bad thing. A lot of guys shy away from them, but ask anyone who uses one and they’ll tell you it’s night and day difference in sleep and energy levels.
hey john, great break down, but it says pop 1 clomid per day for 20 days. what milligram clomid for that? would my hormone levels become normal again after that cycle?
I’m speaking in terms of 50mg tabs, 1 tab/day. Your hormone levels will start coming back, but to say they’d be back 100% after just PCT is something I cannot tell you. Usually it takes a couple weeks thereafter even PCT for the levels to start getting back to what they were. Does PCT help? Yes!! Is it an instant fix? Hell no. It’s time bro
Hi John, I’ve always trained clean all my life. I’m 55 in great shape (muscular) and look 10+ years younger than I am. I had my test level checked and it came back at 562. I have test cyp 250ml and clomid on hand and have been considering trying the test only pyramid cycle in your article. My question is what do you think my chances are on recovery after pct?
Hello again John. I have left two comments with a question and they keep disappearing with no replies. so I will try again. lol
I am 55 in great shape (put a lot of teens to shame) and have worked out for the vast majority of my life. People think that I’m considerably younger than I am. I am thinking about doing your 1 vial of test for a first cycle. I have a vial of 250 test cyp. and clomid on hand. Recently I had my testosterone tested and it came back at 562. I believe that is good for my age. My question is, at my age do I have a good chance of recovery after pct? I would prefer not to have to do hrt for the rest of my life. .
Nope, your chances of full recovery at your age are shit. I wouldn’t touch it if you don’t like the idea of hormone replacement.May I ask why? From age 55 to death everything just goes to shit for most people. Why would you NOT want to go on hormone replacement??
Thanks for the reply! Like I said I am in remarkable condition and I don’t have any issues with my libido. Granted it certainly isn’t as it was 10-15 years ago, but every day is still viable. I guess I have a fear of having to rely on a shot a week to operate. I was hoping you’d say I’d have no issues recuperating. I was looking for some straight answers to my question as I wasn’t getting them from guys who cycle that I know due to their youth and ignorance. Had no one in my age group to ask. I appreciate your honesty. Thanks!
Im 22 6′ at 205 I started my first a cycle of 400mg test e last sunday at 1 cc is that too much? And what would you recommend for finishing the cycle?
d keep it going at 400mg/wk if that’s where you started at. Hit 50mg/day of clomid for 3 wks, started at 2 wks post last shot.
Hey john, I saw this website a while ago and I’ve been keeping an eye on it for a while and I’ve learned a lot.
I’m 19 years old and weigh 155lb at 12% body and 5″10 height. I started lifting tqo years ago at 125lb at 13% body fat. I wanted to get on a test enanthate cycle only in april when the semester ends so with the 12 weeks and 2 weeks break and 4 weeks PCT, ill still have a few weeks before school begins again (in case of acne etc).
I’ll have 2 1/2 years of lifting experience almost 20 years old and I hope I’ll be 160-165lb at 12% body fat then. Im eating 3150 calories a day with 190g protein split between 6-7 meals filled with conplex carbs. I would increase the calories and protein when on gear over summer.
The reason im worried is because, no matter what website I’ve done research on, they always prohobit the use of ateroids before 24. I know a lot of friends on it and I see some internet famous people who started it at 17 years old. Is it really dangerous? I plan on lifting throughout adulthood and I understand you have to cycle forever to keep your gains, I know I’d have to purchase two cycles a year. Apart from being on steroids for your whole life, is there any reason not to take it?
The only reasons not to take it are health issues such as high blood pressure or cholesterol issues. There are certain compounds that can aggravate these issues even more, but some won’t. You just want to know what is causing what thats all. You sound mentally prepared to use them, so I’d say go for it. Is it better to wait until 25 yrs old? Yes I think so. Is it as dangerous as people make it out to be? Nope
Hi, I have just started a 1st cycle of sust 250. I have only had one vial and seen good gains! Took it for 5 weeks, now my supplier cant get them any more ( I wont be buying any more for a few weeks until I have a good 3-4 vials next time) so now I don’t know what to do!! iv only finished 1 vial and so I was wondering if I need to take a pct. im scared my test levels will crash. I have a box of nolva on hand! Should I just take a break and start again in a month. I really don’t want to stuff up my test levels
Plz Help me as im clueless what to do now!!
How ever im still gna train like an animal in the gym (I hope)
Thank u for your help
yes, I would take the nolvadex at 20mg/day for a few weeks and get on some clomid if you can
hello i just had a question. i was thinking of starting out with Deca-Durabol in oral form so i’m not really worried about that part but i was just wondering if 19 it would be a bad idea i workout a lot and just want to get an edge for myself not any sports.. also would you still recommend the clomid 2 weeks after finishing the cycle
I’ve never head of oral deca before. Whether you use steroids or not is up to you, I’d be a hypocrit if I told you I wasn’t using them at 19 because that is when I first started. But I knew without a shadow of a doubt I was close to my natural potential at a lean 205 lbs. That is what you need to ask yourself. I knew what kind of work I had put into my body. If you have busted your ass with lifting and nutrition and you truly feel like you’ve earned your way there, fuck it, juice up
Hi John… Thanks for the info and answering all the comments for almost a year! I’m also a newbie so here;s my situation…
40 years old, 5’11”, now 168lbs…. Just dropped 20lbs from diet and Crossfit and I’m down to single digit body fat and feel i’m ready to really start to try and gain. I don”t want to get huge, I just want to fill out more and I know I’ll need to really adjust my diet as that’s what’s made me plateau the past few weeks. I did a testosterone test a bit ago and I’m in the high 600’s.
I’d like to start a regimen and would like to know if your cycle is right for me. I have a “supplier” that recommended the following for me and i’d like a second opinion:
600mg two shots a week 1ml. for 12 weeks.
Along with some arimidex this helps keep test levels really high and active. Also keeps estrogen lower and where it needs to be.
Post Cycle Therapy:
Do HCG, Nolva, Clomid, 2 weeks after last shot.
HCG 1-10 EOD 1500 IU
Clomid 100mg weeks 1, weeks 2-4 50mg
Nolva 40mg weeks 1, weeks 2-4 20mg
looks spot on, I wouldn’t change jack shit, good luck!!
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if i was to use some hcg also just to be extra safe, when would be best to start that as well as the clomid too
You could do it 1 of 2 ways. You could run the hcg at 250iu 2x/wk throughout the cycle, and then just go straight into clomid started 2 wks post cycle for 3 wks, or you could use no hcg during the cycle and run 2500iu/wk started immediately post cycle. Either way it’s 5,000 iu of HCG. Honestly bro, I take mine whenever I have it, sometimes its 259iu twice/wk, sometimes it’s a 5000 iu vial for a stint of 2 wks after I’m running something a steady 10-12 wks or so.
Thanks for such a great site. I have started a cycle of test E about 2 weeks ago, and being an uninformed user. I didn’t know about all the pct part of the cycle. So naturally I’m doing the cycle with nothing to fall back on after its done. I noticed a Q&A on here about tribulus with some D-aspartic acid. Could you please elaborate on that for me and should I be worried about any man titty growth if this is my first cycle to ever do?
You would most likely not get any gyno issues off dosages this low and an 8 week cycle. I would say only a select 3-5% would have any issues at all from this. The tribulus and D-aspartic acid is decent, but you need to take a lot of tribulus. 4 grams per day of tribulus and a couple servings of D-aspartic acid for about 4 weeks
I have a question I’m 30 I weigh 150 will it hurt me to do one cycle how u said but not take clomid after its done
you will still recover if you take enough time off when it’s done, but not as fast. Keep in mind, none of the old time bodybuilders used PCT at all
I’m 22 5 foot 6 inches I weigh 120lbs and have been this size since the 8th grade a buddy of mine is helping ease into this stuff and my one of my main concerns is eating it seems that no matter how much I eat or what I eat it doesn’t help or hurt me. I stay the exact same and I was wondering will I be wasting my Money buying this. Or should I wait for my metabolism to slow down?
No, don’t use anything yet. Trust me, I had a friend back in high school who had the worst genetics ever for bodybuilding and he ended up getting to 215 lbs at 6’1″, all natural. This guy was long limbs and skinny as a rail. If he did it, anyone can. Yes, it may be your metabolism. I’d be looking more at compound bodyweight moves, chest presses, squats, deadlifts, routines such as Bill Pearls 5×5 style power routines are what you wanna look at. A guy like you doesn’t need to be living in the gym, keep it brief and intense. You do not need steroids yet, you can grow
Hi john, really learnt a lot from you, I have two questions, I want to do this first cycle, will my natural test return to normal after cycle? And another question, you said hormone fluxuation causes acne, and that’s my biggest fear, so won’t it be better to do 1ml every week instead of pyramiding as you suggested, won’t pyramiding result in more acne? Did you get acne on your first cycle?
Yes I got acne my first cycle. The pyramid is for someone with just 1 vial of gear. Its my opinion its the best way to use just 1 vial, it slowly introduces you to a higher dosage and weens you off, so you know how you’re going to react to it. You might get a little acne, its part of the game sometimes. The second run you could go to 500mg every wk for 10 wks
Wow this is a really good beginners guide and i appreciate what you’re doing by giving people like me some assurance.
You say you’re on TRT for life? Is that because of the steroids? How do i avoid that situation? I’ve just finished my first cycle which was 4 weeks of Test-E 1ml Every 3 days and Anavar 40mg ED, the guy i got it off hasn’t got me anymore and i’ve been off cycle for 4 weeks and now i’m trying to get Chlomid.
To complicate things further, I’m taking dutasteride for hairloss and i’m not sure how taking steroids will affect this and my hormone levels.
I’m all a bit confused really as to what i should be doing as i feel my situation is different to others so your help would be much appreciated.
4 weeks of test is nothing. At this point I wouldn’t even worry about clomid. I doubt you were even fully suppressed on that cycle, 4 weeks you say? Dude, most of that stuff wasn’t even in your system until mid second week anyways. Taking steroids can speed up your hairloss and durastride can help slow it down some, possibly prevent it from happening sooner, but genetics are genetics and life is a bitch. If you’re going to lose your hair, it’s just going to happen. There is little we can do to stop it.
Hey I’ve been reading your comments and article and find them very informative but decided I’d like to get my own unique response so here goes:
Im 24 6′ 4″ 195 lbs I used to be a daily rigorous lifter but took some time off but have started back recently. I really want to begin a cycle, my first cycle, (even though I’m sure you will probably respond with I need more natural time in the gym) and in fact I already have purchased 10 weeks of Test-E at 400mg a week, twice a week with 25mg Dbol a day for the first 6 weeks and Arimidex for a pct. I haven’t began taking them yet and was wondering if my previous knowledge of lifting and my dedication is enough for me to go ahead with it.
Also when would you recommend I begin the Arimidex?
And would Arimidex alone be enough to come off with?
Lastly, when you completely come off of steroids what happens to your body from a physical perspective? I don’t plan on just taking 1 cycle but am curious that when I am done permanently if I will just lose all size and strength?
Thank you for you insight!
I’d just make sure you are back in the gym consistently on your own for a few months before using the test, and that is to take full advantage of the test and gain the most size possible. No point in using something when u can get fast gains on your own first and get the consistency back. On the arimadex, ideally you’d want clomid too, but on just 400mg week of test e, is it the end of the world if you don’t have clomid? No. On that arimadex I’d just use 1/2 mg every other day during cycle if you want. After your last shot, I’d continue on the arimadex for 3-4/wks thereafter, and go to 1mg every other day.
Hey john (Nice name!),
I am just easing my way into a easy steroid cycle at the age of 24. I am one of those people that has small gains in size, but plenty of gains in strength. I am looking to boost this even more!
I have a strict diet consisting of plenty of veggies, fruits, and lean meats and around 2500-2800 calories daily (From chicken, to beef, to fish for the meats), with a constant sleep schedule of around 8=9 1/2 hours nightly.
I work my ass of at work (Constant lifting of nothing under 50 pounds), run 3 times a week about 2 miles each. Do push ups, pull ups, and crunches. I dont have a local gym (closest is 45 mins). I have a pull up bar, and 2 barbells with a max of 30lbs weight on them.
I am interested in just getting some strong gains in strength, not mass Specific for the next up coming months then ween myself off before I enter the military. (I know the risks of course). Do you have any suggestions? This is the easiest to follow cycle I have seen and am very keen to give it a try.
Use the weights you have available for barbell curls, tricep extensions, overhead presses. If the weight starts to feel too light then slow your rep speed down to where it feels hard. Do you have a backpack? You can put some weight in a backpack and use it for weighted pullups and pushups. Or bodyweight squats. You can still get huge with what you have
Hey! Thanks for the fast response! I generally use the dumbell weights in a backpack for pushups/pullups anyways! Nobody in my family has much muscle mass.. Just strength. Its normal I have found.
Do you think it is worth a cycle to see the results and then decide on if its for me with my criteria? :)
You could always give it a go, see what you can get out of an 8 week run. 1 cycle isn’t going to hurt anyone, it’s only when 1 cycle turns into 3 and 4 cycles a year without enough time off.
Hello, I am a 39 year old, obese male at 6’3″ ,270lbs, with around 33% BF. Smoker, poor diet, just generally a heart attack walking. I am miserable. Im not ignorant nor lazy, have 2 children and a busy life. The wife and I ended it and now im looking in the mirror finally and im disgusted. A friend of mine started stacking and of course i noticed his gains and was curious. He suggested cyponate and told me i would see pretty big changes as long as i went hard at the gym and ate clean. I had a couple of issues in bed lately and im freaking out. I know the dangers of steroids, back in the day my brother did them and i watched and learned but never did, i used to be in great shape, i NEED to be again!! Please help with any suggestions from an experienced guy like yourself Joe? I do understand i need to be a gym rat and eat healthy to achieve anything but i need something extra to help. My knees are shot and i have a compression fracture on my t12 in my back from 9 years ago. Thank you for any guidence!
You didn’t realize you were a slob before the wife left? I do not advocate steroid use to anyone as a quick fix, or motivation to get off of their ass and work out. I only suggest using steroids when an individual has done everything they can and wants to go to the next level beyond what’s naturally attainable. Quit smoking and get in the gym first and stay in the gym consistently. Steroids won’t help you nor do you need them right now. Have you thought about the part where you come off and you’re depressed as hell from it, on top of everything else you have going on? I’ve been doing this a long time and I’d never suggest using steroids for a guy like yourself. I’m not trying to be an asshole here, I’m just being real with you. If you’re a walking heart attack like you claim to be, get in shape naturally
Hey John I’m currently 19, the same age you were and I’ve been contemplating doing a 1 vial cycle like this to try and meet size goals to hopefully step on stage for the first time next summer. I’ve been lifting weight for 3-4 years now and have my nutrition in check. You mentioned above you wished you would’ve waited longer, do you think this would benefit me to do right now to reach my goal?
Also did you develop a lot of stretch marks from putting on so much mass that rapidly? and would an estrogen blocker be necessary at a dosage like this?
No, most of my stretch marks were from the first year of lifting and when I was natural. I don’t think I got any stretch marks from that cycle to be honest. An estrogen blocker just isn’t necessary with a dosage like that. Also, have fun competing with just 1 vial of test. It’s chemical warfare up there!!!
Hey.. I just wanted to know.. I had a cycle of testosterne prop 1 vial only and hgh once and it was great.. But i dint take anything after i finish that cycle and now after 4 months i notice that i m losing hair.. Any advice!?
Can that clomid help me for my hairloss if i start taking now? Its been 4 months after my 1st cycle of test and hgh
no man, you need some finesteride for that, not clomid. If you only did 1 cycle of test and HGH, your hair was on it’s way out anyways brother, the gear didn’t do that!!!
It’s going buddy, and it wasn’t from steroids. I’d just shave it and be a total badass. Fuck it, it’s just hair
Yaa but why it happened after using it only.. As soon as i finish my cycle in 2 months i felt that i am losing my hair and its becoming thin day by day..is it ok if i dint hav that post cycle stuff as you mentiond above clomid and all..?
Hey man great article and I love you have it all broken down for people, however; I am looking at doing tren acetate, and primo or maybe tren ace, and sus 250 for a 10-12 week cycle Now should I start one 2 weeks before throwing the other into the stack or can I start both at the same time? and would clomid and tamoxifen be enough or should I use HCG at 2500 i.u EW for 3 weeks to get everything working again. also should I switch my stack up when I get back on or is it okay to stay on the same stack for a second go around?
I’d use primo and tren acetate, personally I hate sustanon. I never felt like it was a steady release of ester and it bloats the hell out of you. You can start both at the same time as well. As for an anti-estrogen, you really don’t need anything with those compounds, neither of them aromatyze. If you can get your hands on test propionate that would be even better and it’ll keep you harder. If you can find some 200mg primo it’d be very convenient, because you could just do 1cc/each in a single shot that you took on Mon/Wed/Fri, and it’d put you right at those dosages. If not you’re going to have a little more poking to do. Get used to hitting different inject sites.
As for when to do the same cycle again? If something works and it’s a winning combination then use it. There are no rules to it
What about using test IN a pct? let’s say a test E cycle of 400-500 mg/week for 8, then after you take clomid to start your natural production back, but while the natural test comes back you use low dose test to keep good testosterone levels to protect your gains while not blocking your natural production, so it gives time to start it back while keeping your gains as much as possible.
ex : PCT would be clomid 50 mg ED and test E 75-100 mg EW.
Would that work? or would 75-100 mg of test EW still keep you shut down and make the clomid restart useless?
no, the purpose of PCT is to get you back naturally, you cannot do that while still using testosterone, even in lower amounts. You might as well go on test replacement
Hey john nice article and I like the way you broke everything down, also I have read ever comments and your input! I’m waiting to get paid in a couple of weeks to buy your book and read to hear more about you thouhts on bodybuilding! Like everybody here had a question here’s my, I’m 32 yrs old weigh 175lbs been lefting over a year and half with a good diet and some cheat meals bere and there. I’ve been thinking about doing steroids for a while know bc I want to be the guy that walks in the room and makes everybody head turn, I’ve done lots of research online and your forum and explanation on how and what to take it as a niebie user seems easy enough. So I’m just going to fullow your pyramid cycle of
test 1 /wk for 8wks,
after 2wks clomid 50mg/day 20 days n
Nolvadex 20mg/day 1 month
Can I take the clomid and nolvadex together at the same time? Any other comments or suggestions would be very appreciated. Thanks a lot
Yes, take them together
Hey john.. What happen if we dont have clomid after we finish our cycle.. Its been 3 months i had my 1st cycle but dint take that clomid.. Do u think i should take clomid now to get back naturally.. Please advice..?
Please tell me if i can have pct now after 3 months of my last injection.. Because i feel lazy and tired all the time and i think this is because of my test level.. I had only 1 vial of test prop and hgh 5 vials..if you think i shud start pct now then please tell me what should i take and how??
nope, you’re wasting your time if the cycle ended 3 months ago
no, clomid is of no use at this point
Then what should i do to start my natural process..??
all you can do is take enough time off bro, you missed the bus on clomid
Hey john I am 20 years old with 1 full year of training and am keen to do this low dose cycle I just wanted to ask some questions, will i one day need test to keep me going as i am worried that i will need a replacement for doing it so young also will i have any harsh side affects, Thanks for your time John :)
no, if you were to do a cycle here and there you will most likely be fine. If you continue to cycle for several years then yea, you may one day need test replacement. If you keep dosages moderate and take enough time off between cycles,then you may never need test replacement
Hey John I’m 3rd cousin of jack lalane, I’m 32 and a national top 5 qualifier for NPC men’s physique, my genetics are on point and with low doses I’m border line BB, what’s your thoughts on this cycle and do you think it’s safe?? I trust your opinion considering you seem real conservative,
Npp 50mg eod
Bayer primo 300mg week
Test p 50mg eod
5’9 180 6% year round current stats
Cool man, I always like Jack Lalane and reading about him. I think that is a good cycle for you, the only thing I’d do is add more primo if I could. 500mg/wk seems to be getting more into the sweet spot with primo
Thx John for the reply, do you think this cycle is on the milder side??
Also , what would be your main concern on blood work to ensure your ok and to start cycle?? Bout 8 weeks after I did a cycle my hdl was like 22 which is little lower I think, my blood pressure is excellent while I’m on as well….
My cholesterol always stays a little out of whack, but not by much. It’s a slightly low good cholesterol and a slightly high bad cholesterol. The biggest factor is the ratio, not the numbers. On your bloodwork you’ll see a spot where it shows the ratio of the cholesterol test. Yes, that is a very mild cycle right there and I doubt you’d have any issues at all.
My total was 160 on cholesterol , is that what you mean bye ratio?? Thanks for reaching out to me John I really do admire your opinions!!!
160 isn’t THAT BAD. No, what I mean by ratio is a range you fall into as a score for “risk for future cardiovascular event.” It’s usually a score that falls into a category such as “below normal risk for future cardio event, half normal risk, normal risk, 2x normal risk, etc etc” It’s basically a number they come up with based on the ratio of good to bad cholesterol, not necessarily the total number like 160. My brother was 230 last time he got his checked and he has never used gear or even supplements. A lot of it is genetic too.
where can i get some genuine testosterone cypionate, 200 or 250mg- 10 ml as i no there is a lot of fake please help
I’m sorry, I don’t provide sources. I just educate people
Does npp cause bloat? Would you say it’s ok to use a pre contest?
like what you was saying when you pin and you have to pull back to see if there’s blood what would happen if I have to do it by myself and pin
with blood in it
if you see blood then you pull back out and go in another area. You are in a vein if you see blood
If I do 1 cycle or at least 2 it will affect on my testosterone level for the rest of mi life? If I dont abuse and rest 12 week between cycles how many cycles do u think I can do without affect my testosterone lvl for the rest of mi life
Much of this depends on factors such as age, genetics, and individual chemical properties in your body. I started steroids when I was 19 yrs old. I did about 4 cycles from the time I was 19-24, and then from age 24-27 I was on about 75% of the time. I came off for about 5 or 6 months at 28 yrs old and got my wife pregnant. From 29 yrs old to now( 34 yrs old) I’ve pretty much been on 90% of the time. NOW IF…..IF, I stayed with only 2/ 8-12wk cycles a year, and did the time on = time off rule, I would probably be good into my late 30’s. But test starts dropping anyways in your mid 30’s, so to me it was a no brainer. I knew I would eventually go on test replacement anyways, so it was game on for anabolics.
Hey John, thanks for the reply earlier. I had my mind set on taking test enanthate but my friend said it causes hair thinning and shedding for him and he takes finasteride to combat it with test.
I did some research and so far cane up with tbol, deca, and anavar being the safest on hair loss. However, taking any of those WITHOUT test isn’t recommended so what should I do?
Should I try an anavar only cycle? Or try test e and if i experience hair loss, stop the cycle early and start PCT? Thanks again!
Ok so how many cycles per year? and for how many years? do u think I will be good without affecting my testosterone lvl for the rest of my life? Following the instructions that u said.. I am 25 year old 5’6 185 pounds.. been lifting for 4 years..
Hi john, I’ve been so excited and kinda nervous too, started my first cycle yesterday, one vial of test cyp as you suggested, my first poke was last night, it went rather well, I injected 0.75cc, my cycle is an adjusted version of yours, week 1-4, 0.75cc, week 5-8, 1.5cc, week 9 , 1cc, my question is will I be able to gain 20lbs just like you? Can you give me advice on gaining as much weight as possible on this first cycle, I want to make the most of it, 20lbs would be GREAT!, please help!!
I ate until I wanted to puke, made sure I had 8-10 hrs of sleep every night, and trained like a maniac. 50% of what I gained was me, not steroids were the motivation to take my game up a few notches thats all
Thanks john, I’ll make sure I eat the most I can
So about my question doing 2 cycles per year would be good?
yes, either 1 longer cycle or 2 shorter ones
Could you comment about the hairloss issue? I’ve been looking into tbol only now too and I see people having close to zero sides at 60-80mg for 6-8 weeks. Can tbol be run without test without being shut down? Do you need hcg? Or is it best to stick to just test.
Yes, you can run it solo. If your test levels aren’t already low, I’d say you could definitely run solo. You would still be suppressed to some degree, maybe not fully but yes, I’d use a PCT still. You don’t necessarily NEED HCG, but it’s the best form of PCT IMO
Hey Im a newbie to all this..
Im going to be using this exact cycle
i got the test cyp ready also the syringes also the clomid and the anastrozol.
im getting my new diet plan ready.
I want to at least do 3500-400 calories.
im 24 & weight 140 lets see how this works out for me…..thanks for sharing this (:
I am planning on doing a cycle of 500mg test e for 10 weeks with 20 mg dbol first two weeks 25 mg dbol 2nd two weeks and 30mg the 5th and 6th week, and then taking clomid at the end of the dbol for a pct….
A friend of mine gave me a bottle of equipoise with about 5ml in it and I was wondering if i stacked half a ml a week of it along with everything else if it would be worth it/if id see significant results? Do you have an opinion on this?
no, it’s not enough to do jack shit, I’d save it and then on my next run I’d get some more Equipoise to run
awesome thanks I won’t waste the time with it this cycle!
I’m one of the many people that is extremely cautious and fearful of injections, I’m 20 , training for 3yrs, currently 175lbs 5″10-5″11
never been a big guy but recently I haven’t been moving at all in the gains department and I’m dieting great, following macros and everything, also working out 5-6 days a week and training my ass off..
my major question is that at 20years old is it worth it ?
and should I be that cautious of the injections, or are they a lot easier than some people make them out to be ?
also if I’m sticking to a good diet and training my ass off what could I expect it terms of keep able gains if I follow your cycle 100% ?
thanks so much for all the advice
I never thought injecting was that bad, I was scared to death my first time and then after doing it I almost started laughing at how easy it was. As for whether or not it’s worth it, I can’t answer that. Part of me wishes I never dabbled in it sometimes, and then sometimes I feel like it’s only enhanced my life. As for keeping anything, maybe 20% if you eat a lot and do a PCT, I wouldn’t expect much more than that. The reality of it is you have to keep using them for awhile
and I’m down to around 7-8%body fat so quite lean, don’t mind putting on a some body fat %
then do the shotgun approach, john doe is completely right, Since I stuff my face I grow so much.
Hey there very informative site ! When i get the money ill buy the ebook too , looks prety promiseing! Sorry for some mystakes but im not english , i wil try to explain myself!
Well i wanted to do a deca/test cycle more like on 250mg/w each for 10 wk’s et least.Was thinking in doing trowing some letrozole each 2days and some prolactin antagonizer like dustinex our carber , in the end after 3 weeks doing the tamoxifen and exemestatene , because of the cinerygies what you think maybe too much? it will render my cycle? because of the low dosage as i just did 1 cycle im stil fresh and i dont think i need big dosages
“i already done a cycle some years ago with sust\deca 250 each 12 weeks and i grow like a mtfkc but alot of water retention and lost et least 50% of the cycle in the first couple of weeks but i didnt had any pct back there LOL! crasy ” was just a kid thankfully i didnt get any super bad side effect just some nipple sensetive that went way no gino no tnothing close call eheh
I’d keep your anti e’s low, and you arent dosing deca nearly high enough to need caber, its a waste of money for that
does anyone know of any actual legit Australian sites or places ?
since the boarder security is so full on down here I’m not wanting to buy overseas and yea.. John Doe, any ideas. if you are even allowed to answer that question
do you have an e-mail?
nevermind, forget about it.
stupid question but how far should the needle actually go in ?
and where is the best place to inject in the glute ?
obviously my first time, I have the stuff but wanted to double check these things
I’ve got everything, not sure how far to put the needle in can I Please Please get a rough estimate or a pointer of how far it should go In ??
I’ve read around and all about everything but this is the last thing I wanted clarified, not sure if not putting in far enough or to far will effect it
go in all the way with a 1″ pin, about 3/4″ of the way with a 1 1/2″ pin if you have that. Sorry for the late response
Hi JD I greet you in the name of barbells and dumbells.
trust all is well and once again thanks for such information and such a great site. ..
keep up the good work.
Listen my man, im 28 weight is 171 lbs been training for two years don’t keep body fat percentage .
I eat the normal 6/8 meals and train truly hard 5 days a each week.
earlier in this year around May /june I got me a cycle of superdrol however I only stayed on it two weeks exactly and went into pct. ..
I must say I lost all or any gains which weren’t any impressive. . but can I even call that a cycle? I don’t know. ?
Now looking at this 1 vial article I would like to follow it and try it out but involve superdrol? Can this be done?
usually an oral is taken for a term of four weeks so my other question is-
say I start and inject the test and take a tab of superdrol
now the test cycle lasts up to 8-10 weeks but the superdrol lasts until four weeks into that entire cycle, so once im done with the superdrol cycle at four weeks must I go into pct or do I only take the pct after my entire cycle ? Sorry if im confusing you ..
Please advise. ..?
Thanks and much respect
it takes more than that to confuse me bro. PCT would be when all products are done with, started after test, NOT SUPERDROL
I appreciate your patience and time to have helped me. grateful
just for interest sake. …What is better ? taking the oral in the first four weeks or the last four weeks of an injection/oral cycle?
Hey bro, excellent article. My first cycle was this very one you describe and I did it about 15 years ago. My results weren’t staggering because I messed it up and looking back, I’m surprised I didn’t hurt myself. I could have used this article 15 years ago. Fast forward to my current situation…
I am 40 and have been on trt for 2.5 years now. I have been steady and hard in the gym for the last 4 years. For being natural, I am greeted with many compliments. I am 6′, 215lbs, and my digital scale says I am 20% BF, although I question its accuracy as I have veins that pop out on my shoulders and biceps. It’s probably more like 15% or so. On to my question…
So, I have decided to do one cycle. I want to increase size and strength and see where I stand as far as my genetic limit. I want to get a professional’s opinion on the particular cycle I have decided to run before I start. I also want some insight as far as my trt treatment is concerned. I can push my labs out to 14 weeks to avoid too much detection so keep that in mind once I lay out the cycle. The cycle is going to be 10 wks total with no PCT since I am on trt. I plan to do 400mg DECA/week, 500mg Equipoise/week, 30mg Dbol/day for 6 weeks. Once the Dbol cycle is done, I plan to replace it with 40mg Winny/day to finish out the cycle. This would be in addition to my 200mg/week Test C and I was considering doubling that to 400mg/week for the 10 weeks then going back to my prescribed 200mg/week. That would give me 4 weeks to minimize detection by my trt doc. I would use arimidex throughout the cycle to keep e low (25 is my magic number on e). As far as diet is concerned, I currently take in 2700 calories. I don’t have my journal handy so I don’t know the calorie breakdown, except that I aim for around 200g of protein. During my cycle I plan to up my caloric intake by another 1500-2000 total calories/day. I will use the same ratio of protein, carbs, and fat that I am currently eating, but adjust accordingly to reach a total of about 4000-4500 calories/day. I also plan to take a liver support product to help protect my liver and I will donate blood at least once during my cycle to keep my hemo levels in check.
So, what do you think of the cycle? Is it too aggressive? Is it doable without too much side effect? I designed it as a half bulk, half cut cycle since the Dbol will most definitely add some fluff along with muscle. Will 4 weeks be enough to get my levels under 2000? My doc has told me she doesn’t focus too much on numbers, but how I feel. I figure I could get away with it if my numbers were 1500 or so if I told her I had just injected the day before. If you think the cycle is good to go, do you have any suggestions before I start?
Me personally? I’d lower the deca to 300/wk, it’s just not necessary to use more, 300/wk should give you everything you need. But that is just me. As for getting your numbers down in 4 wks, I’d drop to 200mg/wk on wks 11 &12, and then nothing for wks 13-14, you’re ok to go 2 wks without it before bloodwork.
No other suggestions, poke away :)
Thanks man for the advice. There is a lot of opinion out there on what you should and shouldn’t do, but I trust what you have to say because you seem to be a “no BS, tell it like it is” kinda guy. I do want to clarify though…you say that you would do nothing for weeks 13 and 14. Are you saying you wouldn’t even do the trt dose on those weeks?
No I would not. You will still have residual test in your system those 2 wks, and it’ll allow the drugs half life to drop low eenough for u to come in looking normal.
Thanks bro. Will let you know how it goes.
I am startinng a steroid cycle for first time of my life. I have some questions for you.
1) Which nutrition approach is better for a steroid user, 6 small meals per day like bbiers or 3 big meals like a natural trainer? Also your article about protein intake refers to naturals or steroid users?
2) Which steroids are preferable for health and gains? injectables or pills?
3) Can i keep some of my gains after the end of PCT forever or only the gains i could achieve as natural(my natural plateau)
4) During bulk many bbers recommend full splits and other bodysplits. what do you think?
I say do what works for you. I go back and forth between all different styles of training. I may only hit 1 bodypart/day, or some days I hit 2-3. It’s all about what is making your body respond. As for meals, I wouldn’t place much emphasis between drug use or natural, I’d be trying to get steady protein and nutrients at least 4-5x/day, but that is just me. Kind of hard to eat only 3x/day if your caloric requirements are over 3,000/day to grow
Injectables are safer, and as for keeping gains, yea I think you’ll keep SOME, but you wont keep everything. I’d say 40% at best
Thank you very much. About nutrition i asked this question because many bbers advice 6 meals and 1-2 grams/lbs of protein, but they hide their roids use. In your article https://johndoebodybuilding.com/protein-intake/ you said that best protein intake is 100 grams max and 6 meals are overrated. So what is the true? BBers recommendations suit only on steroid users?
No, 100 grams max is not the best intake, I implied you could get away with it for awhile if you had to. You still need calories to grow but protein intake is highly exaggerated now. Quit making this reference between natural and enhancement, it’s not that big of a difference with nutrition between the two. No offense, but juice isn’t any miracle product, u still have to bust your ass. You are getting too not picky and scientific with this. Start increasing your food intake by 1 meal a day, if u get on the scale and its not movingthen you need to eat more. Its that simple.
Hey man awesome site and love your straightforward posts!
I’m a personal trainer myself and have already gone through a 12wk cycle of test once before. I’m 28 and it’s been about a year since my first cycle, mainly because of the acne coming off and almost getting gyno. I didn’t have any prior experience and was doing everything a friend was telling me who has been cycling for a while.
Now I feel comfortable in doing this the right way, nice and simple. I was looking at the dosages you had reccomended and I’m looking at a 12 wk cycle. Should I approach it the same way and just do 6 was at 400ml in stead of 2wks and then taper the same way off?
Also I can get clomid, novladex, and hcg.
Which would be best to keep things simple and safe?
The bottle I have is a blend at 400ml per cc btw.
Thanks man! I really appreciate it.
Yes u could do the same cycle with your 400mg blend. I’d use 10mg daily of nolvadex and then when u come off wait 2/wks to start clomid . use clomid at 100mg day for first 10 days, then 50mg daily for following 10 days. Hit your hcg at 2500iu wk for 2 wks during this time, its better if u have hcg in there
Hey john. Preciate what your doing. Thinkin about doing my first cycle. Im 21, 6’2, and 200 lbs. I aint in bad shape at all but havent worked out consistently, and definitely have alot. to build on (naturally). I got a good frame. Just wanna speed up the process. My question to you is should i go ahead and do a cycle of test now in your layout provided. And when i do, what should my eating habits consist of? should i use pre work out supplements, any particular protein, or creatine. Also what should my pct consist of along with time off. And how should i do my second cycle plan and for how long? I still wanna have more kids and shit. Preciate it man
Eat what you’d eat to grow naturally. Lots of food!!! Don’t worry about infertility at your age and just a couple cy legs here and there. As for pct, read my article on recovery and pct explained. Good luck!!
Awesome forum you make it so clear and simple where others use such technical jargon.
Ok I’ve been thinking about trying roids since I was 19. I read up and decided to wait. I’m 23 now and hit most of my peaks.
Bf: 15 I know it’s a bit high
Training : 4 years
Been training hard and Natural for 4 years, specifically on strength training this last year. My strength is up and size Okay.
Was around 18% bf 3 months ago down to 15 but struggling to get past that and been dieting as well as I can.
The guy at the supplement store recommended this for me for the next 8 weeks
Test p 100mg
Nova and clomid pct.
I’m going away so need the pct with me as no chance of finding that stuff where I’m going.
I want some size out of my cycle but also to drop bf and see more definition.
Was thinking about TREN but he said for first time user that’s silly.
Is equi the same as clen?
What would you recommend?
And its nothing like clen at all
Awesome forum you make it so clear and simple where others use such technical jargon.
Ok I’ve been thinking about trying roids since I was 19. I read up and decided to wait. I’m 23 now and hit most of my peaks.
Bf: 15 I know it’s a bit high
Training : 4 years
Been training hard and Natural for 4 years, specifically on strength training this last year. My strength is up and size Okay.
Was around 18% bf 3 months ago down to 15 but struggling to get past that and been dieting as well as I can.
The guy at the supplement store recommended this for me for the next 8 weeks
Test p 100mg
Nova and clomid pct.
I’m going away so need the pct with me as no chance of finding that stuff where I’m going.
I want some size out of my cycle but also to drop bf and see more definition.
Was thinking about TREN but he said for first time user that’s silly.
Is equi the same as clen?
What would you recommend?
Most of my BF is in the stomach region and I do want to get beach ready for now but I wont say no to size..
Equipoise is a great compound and the one I’ve used the most out of everything. Its pretty universal in terms of cutting or adding mass, with little water retention if the diet is on point. I’d hit 400mg wk of eq for 12 wks along with 300mg/ wk test, test prop if you can.
Thank you for your reply. Really appreciate it.
So for first time cycle Equipose would be okay?
Test Prop and Equipoise
Or your previous recomended 8 week Test cycle.
And which Test? Test C or Tes E?
I’d stick to test only myself, I know what just test did for me my first cycle and I see no reason to get into anything else just yet.
Thanks for the advice.
Test E or Test C?
Also someone was saying Test Prop?
Also would I need AI’s with it? Thinking cloma and Nova?
Hey john I’m 20 years old with two years of training behind me im really nervous to start this cycle, Im about 15%-14% body fat and weigh 80kg at the moment, I was thinking about doing, week 1 , 1/2cc then 1cc for 6 weeks then 1/2 for week 8, then wait 2 weeks and take 20 tabs of clomid 50mg daily for 20 days, im also thinking of takeing half a Arimidex tablet once a week for the 8 weeks im doing test, I was wondering what would be the worst case scenario of side affects in this situation? John i just have to say I love your knowlage and work this is the first thing i have found that has helped me so much thanks heaps John.
arimadex 2-3x/wk is best, once a wk is not enough. Bro, you need to look at it this way; any way you cut it, you’re taking a bottle of test in 8 wks. Whether it’s 1cc this week, or half a cc that week, it’s 10cc’s of test in an 8 wk time frame. So why not pyramid it traditionally and hit my proposed cycle? Hell, at least your body gets exposed to 400-500mg/wk this way. 200mg/wk is what I use for regular hormone replacement, it’s not enough.
Hey john, I’m 20 years old I’ve been trainging for 2 years now and am nervous to start this cycle im about 14%-15% body fat I was thinking of doing 1/2cc for week 1 then 1cc for week 2-week 7 then 1/2cc week 8, I also was going to take just half a arimidex tab once a week for while im on test then after it all wait 2 weeks after last jab and 50mg of clomid for 20days, also John what would be the worst case scinaro with side affects with that cycle i wanted to do? thank you so much for your help your website and knowlage you are bringing to help everyone is awsome thanks alot John.
I wouldn’t do that, I would do my 1 vial pyramid cycle so you can give your body a taste of what 400mg a week is like, 1cc a week tops is nothing. If you are going to shut yourself down anyways, why not at least grow from it?
I’m just nervous of sides that’s all john what if I went for 1cc for 8 weeks straight how much growth would that get me?
maybe 10 lbs, maybe nothing. It all depends on training, food intake, genetics, and rest
what if i did 1mil a week for 8 weeks john arimidex half pill once every 3 days and clomid at the end im only looking for like 10lb gain.
you’ll keep about 2 lbs off that permanently if you’re lucky. I wouldn’t even use them
Option 2. Long Ester
Wk 1-12 Testosterone Enanthate = 250mg twice/wk e3.5d
Wk 1-12 Aromasin 12.5mg ED MIN- monitor and adjust accordingly.
Wk 1-14.5 hCG = 250iu twice/wk – day before test injection.
Begins wk 15 to wk 19
*Note: If youre currently on TRT/HRT you skip PCT and simply return to your dosing protocol
Option 3. Short Ester
Wk 1-8 Testosterone Propionate = 150mg eod.
Wk 1-8 Aromasin 12.5mg ED MIN – monitor and adjust accordingly.
Wk 1-8 hCG = 250iu twice/wk day.
Begins wk 9 to wk 13
*Note: If youre currently on TRT/HRT you skip PCT and simply return to your dosing protocol
Thanks for all advice you are such a help!
But need some extra help on 3 things:
I can only run an injectable cycle for 8 weeks, going cross border so bit difficult to transfer vials and find doctors etc..
1. Would you recommend to run Test prop or Test E? I know Prop is shorter so 8 weeks could work? But E better for beginners?
2. What AI and SERM would you recommend ? Are they necessary? Was thinking Aromasin and hcG?
3. Which of the two options below would you recommend? I am a beginner.
Option 2. Long Ester
Wk 1-12 Testosterone Enanthate = 250mg twice/wk e3.5d
Wk 1-12 Aromasin 12.5mg ED MIN- monitor and adjust accordingly.
Wk 1-14.5 hCG = 250iu twice/wk – day before test injection.
Begins wk 15 to wk 19
Option 3. Short Ester
Wk 1-8 Testosterone Propionate = 150mg eod.
Wk 1-8 Aromasin 12.5mg ED MIN – monitor and adjust accordingly.
Wk 1-8 hCG = 250iu twice/wk day.
Begins wk 9 to wk 13
Hey john please reply :)
This is exactly what I was looking for but I still have a few questions. Im 19 years old and have been training hard for about 4 years now. Im 6’1″ 177 and have gained about 35 pounds since I started. Ive been researching a lot about steroids and really want to try a quick cycle like this because I want to gain a good 15-20 pounds while being shredded too.
The things I am worried about are:
Where would I get my supplies to make sure they are real and not dangerous?
Im not worried about acne because I know it will go away but I am nervous about being infertile or gynecomastia/being permanently messed up so what would be the best steroid to take?
This cycle will not make you infertile, that usually takes years to happen or constant cycling with no down time. Even guys on hormone replacement who use test all the time are still statistically proven to be fertile in 50% of case studies. As for gyno, I highly doubt it on 1 bottle of test. I would say maybe 2-5% of users would have issues on just that small of an amount.
Hey john, im keen to do this cycle for 8 weeks sounds very exiting so, just 20 tabs of clomid at the and of it all, and also John at the end how long will i be at 0 test for before i bounce back? and also can i take like half an arimidex pill once every 3 days or so just cause im worried about gyno? Thanks alot John legend ill be doing it with test e
yes, you could get away with that for adex on this cycle. Your test levels won’t be 0 when you come off, they’ll just be on the lower side for a few months. A lot of this depends on age and genetics, but I’d say for 90% of men between 20-40 yrs old, you’re looking at being shut down for about 8-10 wks post cycle.
Thanks so much for that John with being shut down post cycle how would that make me feel
Haveing lower test for thoes few months? I have a pretty active and social job!
please reply john thanks alot, :)
Your going to feel like shit
So I read your PCT article as well and I just want to double check to see if this is what I would do on this type of cycle as well. (this will be my first cycle ever).
Would I :
Take 10 mg Aromasyn every other day during the cycle?
Take 250 iu 2x/week for 10 weeks during the cycle? (also what is the iu measurement?)
And then Nolvadex after the cycle for how long?
Lastly, how long until you think I will feel normal again down you know where?
You probably wont have any issues with your dick, you just may have a slight decrease in sex drive. One bottle of gear isn’t going to give you a floppy dick man, you’ll be ok. Yea hit the nolvadex for 3 weeks post cycle. Yes, you stand correct with everything else
what’s better in your opinion, for a first cycle, the 1 vial or classic test e for 12 weeks 500mg
the. nolvadex week16-17 40mg a day
nolvadex week18-19 20mg day ??
thanks in advance
Depends on your age. I’d say for someone younger (under 25 yrs old) I’d use the 1 vial cycle and eat and train your ass off. I’ve always believed in gaining on as little as necessary, and a younger guy already has very high levels of testosterone. I picked up over 20 lbs my first cycle from a single vial
Hey man great article. I am about to recieve my first cycle in about 2 weeks.. I bought 10ml of SP Cypionate and 10ml of SP Nandrolone. My question is, if I want to add the Nandralone to the cycle you have laid out for the Cypionate. . How much Nandralone would you recommend I take so I can use both effectively. Keep in mind it is my first cycle. And yes I know, many people recommend just taking the Cypionate the first time around.. But I already purchased both and don’t want the Nandralone to go to waste. All of your feedback will be greatly appreciated.
STATS:AGE-22 Height5’11 Weight216lbs
run them both neck and neck at the same dosage of 200mg/week of each for 10 weeks
I see you said in the article that I would only need clomid but then in the response above it seems like ill need more. (aromasyn and hcg?)
Im ready to do this and can’t wait, but where do you recommend I obtain the products?
I want to make sure what I am getting is safe and real.
I do not give out source information on my site. I recommended clomid only because this cycle is low dosed and if someone was to use this for 8 weeks and come off cycle, clomid is all that is necessary
Hey, John i am 22 years old 145 pounds. been working out for 4 years, 7 months ago i did anavar dianabol and trianabol. i got some nice size on me i did it wrong like every beginner for x amount of reasons but i kept 50% of the gains which wasn’t a bad start. i am still young and want to know if this would give me good results and would it effect me as much as any other.
this is what i plan on taking
euro stack 375mg
testosterone enanthate 125mg
drostanolone enanthate 125mg
trenbolone enanthate 125mg
how many cc a day should i take?
now for PTC which product will go better with the stack Clomid, hcg and nolvadex ? take note that var/dana/tri i took it right after each other so please dont baby me.
If you’ve been at it 4 years now, including a cycle nonetheless, and only 145 lbs you’re seriously doing something wrong. My guess is not eating enough. I’ve seen a guy with the worst genetics for bodybuilding get to a fairly lean 215 lbs before on no steroids. Steroids are not your answer, seriously revamp your routine and eating regimine bro. I’m not trying to be an asshole, but I don’t sugarcoat anything. You don’t need steroids yet, you can still get plenty big on your own
I am 39 years old, haven’t been in the gym since college. I was advised to take test cypionate to increase strength and cut fat. I am 6″2 257lbs. I just took my 4th shot and have been doing 1cc per week. I just am not comfortable with it and want to stop. Do I quit cold turkey or what should I do. Honestly, I think Winstrol and Deca would have been a better choice for my goals.
Nothing is a perfect thing for you. Why would you jump right into a steroid cycle if you haven’t even been to a gym in almost 20 yrs? Its diet and hard training that will burn body fat, not steroids. You just aren’t making much sense here. You aren’t comfortable with testosterone but you would be with a more suppressive compound on top of an additional compound? I think you should come off steroids and hit the gym naturally for a couple years before even considering them again. At only 4 shots in I’d just quit using it. No need to take shit only 4 pokes in
im 25 been working out for 4years now and would like to know what is the safest cycle(pills no needles) i can do with less side effects. thanks
For cost purposes the best thing you could take without harsh sides would be anavar. If money is no object, primobolan tabs @ 60-80mg/day. But that is very expensive!!
What would you suggest for a first cycle for a 38 year old? If you are just looking to gain some lean muscle and you have never taken anything before. I have been athletic and in the gym ever since I was in school. I still play active sports and train 5 days a week. I’m to the age where I’m probably on the downward slide. Thanks for the time.
Go 500mg/wk test only for 10 weeks, and follow my PCT protocol for recovery(see article)
You think 20 sets of biceps and 20 of triceps 8-10 reps is over training??
To me it would definitely be overtraining, I typically do about half that. But I’m sure to some people it would be fine
What effects will this have on sperm count? I know it drops natural test production but my question is will it eliminate my chances of having a child?
I had a surgery in Feb ’14 on my neck that I had to have a fusion. I’ve busted my ass for years in sports and been in great shape until after the surgery. I’m 29 and and have been back in the gym but I’m still limited by weakness in certain muscles. I’m at 9% BF now 5’9 176lb this am. I’m doing this cycle starting monday to basically to get the muscles in the affected area stronger faster and with easier recovery.
I’ve been through numerous surgeries in my life, ACL, MCL, PCL in right knee, Meniscus in left, neck surgery c4/5 fusion, and rotator cuff, other injuries like broken wrist, fingers, and foot. I’ve played hockey my whole life and it’s taken it’s toll on my body and I’m doing this to help recovery and build the muscles that I’m struggling with due to pain and weakness right now.
put it this way, it took me nearly 5 months to be able to do a pull up without pain in my traps and neck!
another question I have is would I be able to do your cycle but just double the amount of test with the same PCT with Clomid? I have twenty 100mg Clomid and another fifty 50mg that will be here in 2 days, is that enough? can I mix Test C, and E together? either in the same syringe or just inject E on one day and C on the next injection day?
yes you can mix test c and e together, they are pretty similar and I don’t place anymore value on one over the other. Yes, you can double the amount and that is actually what I’d suggest for someone your age or older. A young guy can better get away with the 1 vial cycle. I think running gear will help speed recovery but will not act as a direct therapy to a pinpointed injured area. You can inject both tests with 1 syringe btw, load them together and hot once.wk
I got some pip with my 1cc test e pin yesterday just felt like I’ve been punched in the ass. I am positive that it was from injecting method. (Wasn’t smooth)
So the pct should be the same? I’ve got 20 100mg clomid and 100 50mg clomid.
Should I just pin twice a week with the same weekly guidlines so week three do 2 cc twice like Monday and Thursday?
I’m so glad I came across your website.
I have a welterweight physique 5’10 143 pounds age 30.
This cycle really appeals to me but guys keep telling me I should be running 250mg x 2 per week for 12 weeks on a Test E cycle which to me seems a lot for a beginner.
Does a person’s age, weight and size matter? i.e. A cycle for my size and age can’t be the same as someone who is say 6’3 176 pounds age 25 right?
Would the cycle you recommended for beginners and the one I mentioned have the relative same results give or take a few pounds?
The thing you need to understand is that even on the 1 vial cycle you’re still going to have a period of a few weeks where your test levels should be up around 2,000ng/dl which is well over 2x higher than peak normal levels, and the other doses pyramided up to that and down thereafter are still going to put you over 1,000ng/dl. It really is a good beginner cycle. Dosages have been taken higher and higher over the years, yet most bodies don’t look any better.
This can also be dependent upon each individual and genetics. When I say genetics, I mean how well you handle compounds and respond to them. Right now you don’t know, so why not try to make the most out of as little as possible to begin with? It’s really all 90% diet, and sometimes you have to take your eating outside of the comfort zone. You may only be eating half of what you require.
Hey John, great site I’m really enjoying all of the info. Just a quick question, I’m 47 and have a T level of 360 ng/dl not super low but low enough that I don’t have energy, strength or sex drive that I once did. My doctor won’t even consider trt at that level so I’m thinking of doing it on my own., what are your thoughts? What do you consider a low test level?
Thanks. John. :)
Couple factors to consider here. Have you been active and exercising regularly? If not then Id say a level of 360 is acceptable with given activity level. If you have bern in the gym for years then Id opt for replacement therapy. If you go this route then make sure you are getting the bloodwork done to go with it. You need to know everything youre dealing with and what your numbers are.
Hi doe I’m 42 thinking of a 10 week corse of test 400 at 2 mg a week and eating 6 to8 times a day and training 6 a week would I pack it on or not really
Yes, its all diet man. I just had a veteran bodybuilder pack on 19 lbs in 6 weeks since I changed hia diet for him. It really is all diet, steroids might give you 5%
Ha doe thanks I’m thinking of doing your diet because the mount of weight u put on do u recommend it
why do you not need a hcg or AI with this cycle ?
because I’ve read a lot of places you need a hcg no exceptions
Is it better to have it? Yes. Is it necessary on just 1 vial as a first time user? Absolutely not. Guys are overkill now on anti e and recovery agents, so much so that they drive estrogen to unhealthy low levels. As for an AI its simply not necessary with this amount and this compound. If it was a progesterone base like deca or a stronger aromytizer such as test suspension then yes, Id recommend arimadex. Its simply not necessary here.
Hey great article and advice. My question is this. I am 23 years old and a powerlifter. I do not feel like I have reached my genetic potential on my lifts or my body. I have state and american records for raw lifting. Would taking test be a bad idea? Would it short change me? All of my team takes test and say I need to get on it and it will only make me stronger. I do want to try it but I just don’t want to mess up my natural test or shortchange myself. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
If you feel that you can still make gains without it, then wait. I’d only use it at a haulting point
Ok thanks. Is it true that after using you will never make as much natural test?
Depends on age and genetic recovery ability. You can come back to 100% if you’re young and take enough time off. But the more and more you cycle the harder it gets, also as you age its more difficult
Okay I am going to be honest,
I didn’t plan for my first cycle as BEST as I could. Left things for last minute and changed my original plan – was going to run Test P for 7 weeks pinning twice a week, after posting here I changed it to MWF. This is my first cycle, I got some serious good gains these last 4 weeks, especially when upping dosage from 0.5ml to 1ml.
I f****D UP badly. My guy let me down on bringing me a second vial of test prop – on week 4, was going to run it for 8 weeks. Anyways I have about 0.5 – 0.75 ml left of my test prop which I am pinning MWF, so one shot left for Monday, maybe.
The place I am on vacation doesn’t really have gym junkies BUT the pharmacies are quite leaniant.
I managed to find some Test Cyprinate from a pharmacy – 100mg /ml for a 10ml vial.
I also found medical grade Test Sust from a pharmacy that they will sell to me over the counter but in 1 ml doses.
Ratio is: Test P 20mg
Test Phenyl: 40mg
Test Isocpriate: 40mg
Benzyl Alchol IP: 0.1ml
Arachis Oil IP q.s.
So I have two options, considering this is only week 4 and I want to finish this cycle.
Option A – Buy the CYP and jump onto that from Monday. My last pin was yesterday for prop. Have maybe 0.5m – 0.75ml left. This is also the cheapest option as they are selling 10ml vials at around 60 dollars each. What dosage and how often should I run it? When should I run PCT – considering I have done 4 weeks of PROP.
Option A – Buy the sust and jump onto that from next week. If so what dosage would you recommend? Each 1ml vial is 10$.
Option C – Cut the cycle short, run some M-Stak and PCT.
This is my first cycle to.
Any advice appreciated!
I ady run up test enathate for 1 week.
And i decide to use it once in my life. Never touch it again.
Will i lose muscles that i puton after 8 weeks cycle?
Cause i will go natural back again. So will i lose muscles that i put on?
you will lose some muscle, most likely yes
Even if i get enough eat and nutrition?