PCT 101: Post Cycle Therapy Explained

What to run for post cycle therapy.
PCT therapy for beginners.

Be sure to read my most CURRENT PCT article here: The Importance of PCT (Post Cycle Therapy)

I have been getting an awful lot of questions on Post Cycle Therapy (PCT) lately, so this article was much needed. I will explain everything I can about PCT to the best of MY KNOWLEDGE.

This has been strictly based on my own experience and research, but maybe I can explain it in a way some of you can understand. The first thing I want you to know is there are different types of PCT I would run, PCT for a heavy cycle and PCT for a moderate or low dose cycle.

Most of my cycles are low doses or moderate at best, and being that I'm on test replacement anyways, the way I do things now is a little different than the way I used to. Without getting into too much detail, the way I do things now is strictly HCG periodically and an aromatase inhibitor during cycle.

Using an AI is a HUGE, HUGE, HUGE addition to a cycle and makes a major difference in how you look on cycle.

I like using arimistane the best, and 10mg every other day is usually good enough to keep water weight off, keep me on the dry side, and keep me feeling good. Arimistane used during hormone replacement can be taken on the light side at 1/2 mg 3 times a week and for some even that would be too much. I've seen it prescribed as low as 10mg before.

Remember, the trick is to compensate here, and keep things in the proper ratio hormone wise. It's not to overcompensate too much and throw things off. The larger the cycle, the larger the compensation needs to be.

HCG (human chorionic gonadotropin) is a hormone that is strongly associated with luteinizing hormone in men. LH is what tells your nuts to produce testosterone, so taking HCG keeps your balls from shrinking or can bring them back to some degree of size.

HCG helps bring back testosterone production in men faster after discontinuing a steroid cycle. HCG is taken by men on hormone replacement as well, because it still stimulates the testicles by keeping you closer to a normal HPTA axis.

In layman's terms, it keeps your balls from shrinking and you're still able to shoot more normal loads. HCG is far superior to anything else when it comes to PCT, if there was only one product I was allowed to use for recovery it would be HCG.

Next we have nolvadex. A lot of you are probably wondering what the difference is between arimadex or aromasyn and nolvadex.

Well, aromasyn and arimidex are aromatase inhibitors. That means they prevent any estrogen-like side effects from occurring due to TOO MUCH testosterone. Nolvadex works a little differently.

Nolvadex binds to the same receptors as estrogen but it sort of keeps them occupied and does not allow the estrogen to aromatize. This also keeps the testicles from shrinking because nolvadex prevents most interference with LH.

Nolvadex would be more of something to take coming off cycle, and an aromatase inhibitor is something I'd take while on cycle. The thing about it is this; you want SOME estrogen, just not too much. If you knock it down too much then you will short change yourself on strength and size gains. If you don't knock it down enough, you may get unwanted side effects such as bloating and gynocomastia (development of female-like breast tissue).

It all depends on how susceptible you are to gyno. I myself am lucky, I'm not gyno prone at all. I have run numerous cycles with no anti-estrogen at all, with no issues. Then there are guys who use 500mg/wk of test and get gyno from that.

As a general rule, to be the safest this is what I would do; on any cycle that is under 1,000mg/wk total, I would use 1mg of arimadex every other day. I would use 10mg of aromasyn every other day IF I was using that instead of arimadex.

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I would include HCG in my cycle at 250 iu 2 times/wk for 10 weeks (5,000 iu total), and if I did not have HCG in my cycle then I would at least use it post cycle at 2500iu/wk for 2 weeks, started immediately post last injection. The difference in using HCG during cycle and post cycle is prevention versus repair.

I had a really good discussion on this topic with a guy online and he made perfect sense when he explained it to me that way. He said he didn't use HCG at all during recovery, because if he kept it during the cycle he felt there was no need for it.

But from my experience there is a difference in the amount of administration, where 2,500iu/wk will overall stimulate you more than 250 iu 2 times/wk. So the answer is I run it both ways myself.

I use it in small amounts routinely or if I hadn't used any in awhile I'll take a big whack of it for 2 weeks and then keep going another few months, and then do it again. It's really whenever I feel like I need it. So I cannot give you really any ONE BEST ANSWER on how to use HCG. That is how I use it, and it works fine for me.

Now, on a heavier cycle that consists of more like 1,500-3,000mg/wk total, I would use 1mg EVERY DAY of arimistane, or 10mg EVERY DAY of aromasyn (again, aromasyn being my first choice) but my cycles are not this heavy. I stick to the old school ways, and I'm usually under 1,000mg/wk total, USUALLY.

I would take HCG during cycle if I could at the same dosages as above. When my cycle ended, I would most likely take a couple weeks of HCG at higher doses, say 1000mg/wk for 2 weeks, just to be on the safe side. Most guys do not use enough HCG. Remember, being huge and ripped is nice, but we do want to keep some degree of normalcy in our lives here (like working testicles)!!

Now for a guy who does not cycle very often, or is just starting out. I would not stress over not having HCG or an anti-aromatase in your cycle.

2 most important things for PCT

The 2 most important things would be clomid and nolvadex for after your cycle. If you could get your hands on HCG then get it, but if all you had was clomid and nolvadex that is fine. Even if all you had was clomid that is fine if it's a lighter cycle.

Do you think the bodybuilders back in the day were using 2-3 different products for PCT? Hell no, most of them didn't use any PCT!!

Now, of course we find better ways of doing things as time goes on, but I'm not here to tell you that you cannot run a bottle or two of gear just because you don't have all of this stuff. Having a few different products becomes more important when you cycle more often and/or use more.

There are always certain compounds that you want to take extra precaution with when on cycle. You need to research these things before you do them.

Steroids like anadrol-50 and dianabol I would probably not take without using nolvadex THROUGHOUT the cycle. A steroid like equipoise or primobolan, you could probably get away with using nothing during cycle and just doing normal PCT when you are done.

When I say “normal PCT” I'm speaking in terms of 20mg/day nolvadex for 4 weeks post cycle, clomid started at 2 weeks post last shot (if using a long chain steroid) and possibly 1/5,000 iu vial of HCG if you can get it. Clomid dosing would either be 100mg clomid the first 10 days, followed by 50mg/day the next 10 days, OR just 50mg/day for 3 weeks. You see it all depends on how heavy the cycle was.

Much of what is involved in PCT is based on how long a cycle was and how heavy a cycle was. This was one of the more difficult articles I've written because there is no one best way!! It's based on so many variables; age, time on cycle, dosages throughout cycle, time in between cycles, and what you have available.

I'm hoping this helps some of you guys who have questions about PCT. There are a few products that I didn't mention in this article simply because I've never used them.

I only write about what I know about. For questions regarding Caber, letrozole, or femora, I would research that online.

Maybe someday I will use one of those, but for now I will write about what I know about.

Train hard!! -JD

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282 thoughts on “PCT 101: Post Cycle Therapy Explained”

  1. I’m 40 yrs old and have never taken any PEDs. I am in the process of getting back into training after a very long layoff. The last 15 yrs, I have been working 60+ hrs a week and raising my family. I believe my testosterone is low and I may be a candidate for TRT. I have no desire to be 200+ lbs, but want to get my T levels back to normal and start developing my physique and strength again. My training would obviously start at the beginner level. My question is, would a person just taking maintenance levels of test need to take any PCTs? I would think not, but I’m not the expert. Thanks, Tim

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    • No, not PCT but you may take products in lesser amounts as a staple during replacement therapy, in order to keep everything in check. For example, someone may use 1mg/day of arimadex during a heavier cycle or as part of recovery, where you may only use .5mg 3x/wk to keep estrogen under control (since estrogen CAN go up with increased testosterone) but you’re using these products long term. You may not need anything for a long time besides testosterone, it’s all about the bloodwork

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      • I think it’s worth adding that there’s a degree of interpretation/flexibility involved even with the bloodwork when you’re talking TRT. Take for instance my case as an example. My situation is/was very similar to the OPs. Started test, and things were looking good, but then I discovered that I have a strong tendency toward aromatizing test. My estradiol was through the roof with in a month and I started to grow some titties. In consultation with my doc, I started on adex – 0.5mg 2x per week. This was appropriate given my test dosage, estradiol, and symptoms. However, that dose of adex KILLED my estradiol levels. So when you’re adjusting your AI dosage (especially without a doc to help you) keep an eye out for new symptoms like a bit of flop dick and/or really small but thick loads when you do manage to climax. Both are symptoms of insufficient estradiol. Getting the right level of test is generally pretty easy, but nailing that AI dose is the key to feeling your best on TRT.

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        • You’re exactly correct on that, and in most cases people are using too much AI. It doesn’t take as much as you think, you’re correct

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    • Hey I’m going to do a 18week cycle of test ethanate, low amounts so it’s a light cycle. How much a week for dosing would be good? And Wondering what would be best for PCT? Clomid? Or Nolvadex? Or IGC, can’t remember how to spell it. I ask here because it’s not letting me comment on ur article u wrote about beginner cycle.

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        • I have a syndrome of kleinfelters….and I have elevated estrogen and lower test levels…..I’ve ran one cycle already and I want more….I just don’t want to go huge, more cut up and function in my profession and life….cut bf %

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  2. Is there any benefit to taking both climid and nolva for pct?

    Or is climid by itself good enough – this is for a 10 wk 500 test e cycle.

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    • the nolvadex will help restore your HTPA function faster and keep any potential estrogen rebound down. But if I didn’t have nolvadex it wouldn’t keep me from running a cycle of 500mg/wk test, just use clomid, but if you can get nolvadex then use it too

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      • With a cycle of 500mg of test cyp divided into two shots (Mon. And thur.) For 10 weeks. Got hcg 300-500 every 4-5 days also for 10 weeks. Would u worry about not running a AI??? I have clomid and nolva on hand for PCT.
        Week 1-10 500mg test cyp divided twice a week
        Week 1-10 hcg 300-500 every 4-5 days
        Week 11 nolva 40mg+ clomid 100 ed
        Week12 nolva30 mg+ clomid 50 ed
        Week13 nolva30mg+ clomd50ed
        And also the kit came with clenbuteral to use after the PCT
        What do u think about this cycle? Would u worry about not having the AI? And or is everything else on point? This is my first cycle, I have been working out over 10 years and I’m 35 years old

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        • Everyone is different but 500mg/wk of test would give me no issues with gyno, but the AI would help keep water weight down and that is why I’d use it. It certainly wouldn’t hurt to get a little in there. Your pct looks fine

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  3. Hi,
    I got a two questions.

    Let’s say random person is interested in steroids for one reason only. He wants to get androgenic side effects. He wants his facial and body hair to grow, he wants significant deepening of his voice. Simply become more a man. What would he take? Testosterone + Proviron? I think DHT is the most responsible for such effects (am I correct?). What’s the best solution for such person OR where can he find advice for his question?

    Now, second person wants to enhance his sexual capacities + libido. Again is Proviron main thing to consider? What else HCG? Bromocryptin? Or sth else?

    I’m not planning to do it. I’m not seeking medical advice. I don’t know anyone who would use information I’m asking for. I’m just curious.

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    • Yes, you’re on the right track with test and proviron. Proviron releases bound up testosterone giving you a higher free test level, and it makes me feel really good as well. My voice usually gets a little deeper when I’m on it. And test is test, it’s what makes a man a man. The DHT derivative and anabolics are where it’s at for the reasons you mentioned.

      As for libido, test and proviron should be all anyone would need unless they had erectile dysfunction. Bromocryptin works very well, but this can be a real nuisance when you’re not going to have sex. I’m pretty sure it acts on the hypothalamus, not an increased blood flow deal such as viagara. You could think about rotten corpses and disease ridden vaginas and your pecker is still hard as a rock when that shit kicks in. But it’s good to use when you know you’re going to get some, the timing is the trick. For me it always took a good 4-5 hrs to kick in, others only need an hour

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  4. Thanks for response..

    Is there anything more effective than combo of Test+Proviron? (for androgenic effects)?

    Also, is this deepening of voice permanent? Or when getting off proviron, it returns to previous state?

    Is is enough to take Bromo once to get this ultra libido or it is necessary to cycle it for a while to make it happen? How long lasting is the effect? Is it true it can decrease refractory period to near zero?!

    Do you have any experiences with P5P (vit. B6)? Is it true it can be effective method to raise dopamine and be used to fight elevated prolactin?

    I appreciate you’ve found time to answer my questions. All the best! I’ll will definitely follow your blog. I got here from Bold & Determined.

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    • #1- There are more androgenic drugs you can use, but they are harsher on your system. Trenbolone is claimed to be 5x more anabolic/androgenic than testosterone, but harsher on the body. Halotestin is another one that is extremely androgenic but very liver toxic and can only be run a few weeks safely.

      #2- The deepening of the voice is permanent

      #3- Bromo isn’t something you want to use everyday, it’s more of a sexual thing like Viagara or cialis, it lasts about 12 hrs from my experience with it. Something like proviron is a much more realistic approach at taking something everyday for enhanced sexual effects. I’m not sure about refractory period

      #4- I do not have experience with B-6 for fighting prolactin or raising dopamine

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      • Thanks again so much for your answers. I got last few.

        Did you ever experienced priapism while on Proviron? From your experience, is Proviron’s positive effect on sexuality is a result of its impact on brain (dopamine) or it simply strengthens muscles and other organs involved in sexual activity (like strengthening of PC muscle etc.)? Or maybe both?

        What about enhancement of penis resulting from use of SAA? Do you think its possible? Do you know any case where it happened? Or it’s a total myth? I know people who used to have episodes of priapism experienced growth of their penis (but not all of them and some got permanent ED from it).

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        • Never had any priapasm from proviron, but it gets up easier. PT-141 definitely can cause priapasm, especially if does too high. I do not believe proviron would lead to erectile dysfunction at all from cycling it, stay on it all the time and who knows? As for any permanent growth, I doubt it

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          • Thanks.

            I was even aware of existence of thing like PT-141.

            Alprostadil for sure can cause priapism. I’ve read Proviron possibly too but have never seen any confirmation.

            I just wonder if things like Bromo can do it. When libido is ultra high it probably makes it pretty easy to keep it up.

          • My fault, got confused there, not the same thing, name just sounds similar. Pt-141 is bremelanotide and its pretty much the mack daddy of anything you could take for sex. Its an injectable sub q stimulant that will turn you into a sexual T-rex. I’m not.familiar with bromo. Sorry dude

  5. Thanks very much for all responses.

    If anyone got interested in the subject. There’s one more thing I can think of that has similar mechanism to Bromo – it’s Cabergoline. Though, all my knowledge comes from reading and .I’m not planning to use it. And I remind anyone who thinks about it that it’s necessary to consult that with doctor!

    Anyway, I think article about enchantment of sexual abilities based on you experience would be extremely interesting. I’d be very interested to read about libido/sex/erections while on gear. Consider that. Such post could be interesting for you audience I believe.

    All the best.

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  6. Nice article,

    There was one small mistake where your article says:

    “Nolvadex binds to the same receptors as estrogen but it sort of keeps them occupied and does not allow the estrogen to aromatize.”

    You are correct that Nolvadex binds to the same receptors as estrogen, however estrogen is already aromatized because it was testosterone prior to the amortization process.

    What Nolvadex does is as you said, it binds to the oestrogen receptors so that the estrogen in your blood has no where to go, hence it has no effect in the body.

    The reason why we use Nolvadex is because on PCT is because we want to block 100% of the receptors in the hypothalamus so that the hypothalamus sends a strong signal to the pituitary to release LH. If we substituted Nolvadex for lets say Aromasin, firstly it would be very difficult to lower estrogen levels to zero using this product (Arimidex is more potent for achieving that), and secondly, having no estrogen in the male body will destroy your cholesterol or lipid profile (LDL will go way up and HDL will go way down), making you more prone to building plaque on your archery walls and over time this will increase your chances of having a heart attack.

    Nolvadex does not do this, because in some tissue (like the hypothalamus, the breast tissue etc) it blocks estrogen (which we want), and in other tissue (like the liver) it acts exactly like estrogen and it improves your cholesterol/lipid profile (which we also want).

    Furthermore, using an Aromatise Inhibitor to block 100% of estrogen will make your joints very sore because estrogen is a lubricant in the joints and been too dry will make you more injury prone.

    So basically Nolvadex has less side effects, its safer to use in a PCT because it improves your lipid profile (steroids make it worse), and it can block 100% of the signal to the hypothalamus (if adequately dosed) which will restart your natural hormone signalling faster for a more solid recovery.

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  7. Hello im beginner and is my first cycle . I have a some question.
    1. I want use test enantat as normal for one year cycle . Par exemple every 10 day . And one nanderlone in month for 12 months.1. I need anti aromatoze and anti estrogene? 2.When? 3.How? 4. The schadule of enantat every 10 is correct (half time)and nanderlone is every one month is correct?
    Thank you

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    • nandrolone every 2 weeks at minimum, and every week is even better. Once a month is too infrequent. Running Nandrolone for a year straight is definitely not a smart idea, nor test. Unless you want to commit to hormone replacement therapy then I would keep your cycle to 12 weeks max

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  8. Thank you
    For the first cycle in my age 25 years old. Whats your suggest for me and how months ? I want grow cut and huge muscle. Can I cut with nanderlone?

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  9. Hello!
    I am runing my first cycle 250 mg test-e every third day and 30 mg dbol a day.
    Right now i am also taking 0,5 mg amirdex a day and i have nolvadex for PCT.

    What do you think about 0,5 amirdex?

    Thanks!

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  10. Primo 400mg week
    Test prop 50mg eod
    Hcg 250iu twice a week

    Question is do I need an AI like arimadex or etc with this light cycle?? My goal is to run the least amount of shit in my body, without an AI with this cycle above in the past I’ve had good results no bitch tits etc….but would you recommend an AI to anyone else with this sort of cycle??

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  11. I’m takin first cycle of test for 8 weeks it’s 1 vial 10ml what should I pct with I keep hearin the clomid is that enough? How much should I take of it? Where can I get it?

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    • If you dont have a source then research “liquid research chems” on google. If you type in liqyid clomid” you should find something. The liquid version is fine, and just take 50mg each day for 20 days. Start it 2 wks after your last shot

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  12. Hi I’m 45 years old. I’m on 100mg of test a week been on it for a year my test levels are at 500 my doctor won’t give me arimadex he says I don’t need it . Since I been on it my loads are much smaller and I don’t have a full hard on. I’m thinking that 100 mg a week is not enough. What is your advise? I also want to do a cycle of deca and dball 500 mg of deca a week for 8 weeks and 30 mg of dball a week for 4 weeks. should I stop the test during this cycle? I did this cycle when I was younger . I used nolvadex and clomid for PCT did not gave hgc at the time it takes me a long time to get my nuts to start working again .

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    • Well if you have a half assed erection now, then definitely don’t drop test during a deca cycle!!! I think 500mg/wk is overkill on deca, I’d lower it to maybe 300/wk, definitely no more than 400/wk. As for arimadex, your doctor is a moron. Go online and order some through a research chem site and just hit the liquid version. This in itself could elevate test levels alongside your TRT dose. 1/2mg 3x/wk is all you need alongside TRT.

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  13. Thanks for the reply . before I started the TRT I didn’t have the erection issue it all started after taking the test. what could be the issue? I’m on 100 mg a week of test I asked my doctor to go up on the dosage he says it’s not that and wanted to give Viagra I agree with you he is a moron. He won’t even check my astrogen levels .i can get an erection but it’s not a full one. I’ve done deca cycle many time when I was younger and never got deca dick from it.

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  14. Hi John,

    It’s my fourth week running your suggested cycle:

    cycle #4- 40-60mg/day anavar, 300mg/wk primo, 300 mg/wk test prop x 10 wks)

    Training hard, my diet is on point and the results are impressive. Currently prepping for my PCT, just have some Clomid leftover. Like to know how much Clomid and Nolva you suggest I should get to run a safe PCT.

    Thank you for the feedback

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  15. Hello mate , thankyou for doing your bit to help educate
    Those of us that need it.

    My question regarding pct,
    I did 10 weeks test 250,first course so i wanted to
    Approach it sensibly, i then started pct 2 weeks after last shot the first week i
    Used nolvadex at 20 mg ed then i added clomid one tab daily, thing is i felt great
    Infact i felt like i didnt need to pct at all but i committed to doing so.
    The clomid made me feel anxious and flat and really hit my libido,is this an indication
    That my pct is too heavy? Should i stop the clomid ive only taken 4 tabs and am in my 3rd week pct and feel like the nolva did the job? Thanks for you advice,
    JM

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    • Clomid can do that, keep taking it for 1 more week. You’re better to err on the side of going 1 additional week on it than falling short. Also, you won’t feel the drop in test levels for possibly another week, its a slow acting test and sometimes you don’t feel the full effect of discontinuing it for 4 wks after the cycle

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  16. Apart from 20mg Accutane E/D, are you aware of ways to avoid bad acne flair ups either on cycle or during PCT?

    I’ve heard that keeping stable testosterone levels can avoid acne during cycle, but obviously, I don’t plan to be on all the time. Unbalanced levels are inevitable when I come off, so I can’t see how i can avoid it, it seems terribly common for it to flair up during PCT.

    I’m thinking of running 20mg Accutane either ED on cycle, or keep it on hand and use if I get any flair ups. I’d rather not cycle than do so and get bad acne though.

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    • in the future keep your testosterone low and use other compounds in higher amounts. As for acne when coming off cycle, just take the accutane short term during PCT

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      • I haven’t actually ran a cycle yet so it’s only really paranoia at this point. I’ll do as suggested though for my first; keep the test low and maybe run accutane to be on the safe side.

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  17. Thank you for all your down to earth info. I am currently on my third week of testomix 500mg per week .It is my first ever cycle at age 41 .After reading countless conflicting info on pct and A I ‘s I am slightly confused and paranoid about keeping estrogen in check. I have chlomid and nolvadex for pct which I will use. I also have liquidex on hand which I was planning to use .25 ml EOD . I am wanting to know will this much adversely affect me by lowering my estrogen to much. I am thinking now to hold off until I get some symptoms of high estrogen. My energy levels have decreased slightly from first two weeks of cycle. Any advice would be appreciated

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  18. hi john….
    I’m gonna run a cycle
    test cyp week 1-12 400mg/week
    dbol week 1-3 30mg/ED
    anavar week 7-12 40mg/ED

    the thing is, I was thinking running arimidex throughout the cycle from week 1-12 at 0.5mg/ED now my question is…..should I also run nolvadex alongside arimidex from week 1-12 because of the orals??? and HCG the last 4 weeks from week 8-12?? and then from week 15-19 again nolvadex and clomid?? I got a little confused about it…..if you can help me out would be great thanks

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    • Your plan is spot on. No need for nolvadex wks 1-12, just use arimadex as you have planned. The nolvadex is fine wks 15-19, it will further stimulate the LH production 3 wks after your last test shot. Your plan is very proactive and a great PCT, go with it!!

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  19. Test E 500mg/wk for 10 wks. Clomid and nolva on hand for pct. First cycle, 32 years old. Do I need an AI? Do I need hcg at this point?

    Thanks

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  20. Hi John,

    I’ve been using trenbolone ace and test prop with some t3 and t4 plus 2 to 4uis HGH for a year round and right now me and my wife want to have a baby. I’ve done the spemogram test and I’m 0%! My balls stopped, a do have 5ml of volume but no spermatozoon… oh God! My wife want me to go to the doctor, but here in Brazil, they are lacking information about bodybuilding, plus, I’m competitor… What should i do to get my wife pregg? I do have HCG (never used before, just bought)… Can I stay on test (TRT) while recovering my sperm count? Tren is too suppressive, then I think wouldn’t work well doing shots of tren while trying to recover my balls… what can I do to have a baby?

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    • you need to come off everything and begin hcg and arimadex. I would use arimadex at 1/2mg 3 x wk and hcg at 250iu twice wk every wk and attempt to restore any natural test I could. The adex and hcg should help elevate sperm count and natural test over time. I would also use clomid at 100mg/ day for a couple wks and then drop to 50mg day for 2 more wks after you quit everything. Its going to take awhile, possibly a year before you are fertile again. Even on trt there is still a 50% chance of being fertile, but the choice to come off totally or stay on trt depends on how long you have been on trt up until now. If its been a year then Id attempt to drop everything, if its been longer then Id revert to a minimum trt dose of 80-100mg wk and continue on hcg arimadex regimen. U really need a fertility specialist though but for now this is what Id do personally

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      • Thanks John! Im looking for a good doc, but I already bought anastrozole and HCG. HCG I’ll do what you said, 250iu 2x/ wk and about anastrozole? Im thinking about 1mg day or every sec day, what do you think? I’ve been on for 2 years (little stops and just one PCT at the beginning, after my first cycle), and I’m 33 y old… I will consider to be on some TRT dose… I’m already 210lbs 8-9%bf lean… it’s sad :(! Don’t you think I can use just a little more testosterone? Somewhere around 200-300mg/wk, just like some TRT I’been seen?

        Thanks a lot man!

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  21. Hi John!

    I bought HCG and the diluent is water injection. The data sheet says I have to use at maximum 12 hour… how can I conserve 5000UI HCG? Bacteriostatic water then put in 2 to 8 gc? I’m gonna use 250ui 2 or 3x times per week.

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    • HCG is good for up to 30 days once it’s constituted in the bacterio water. However if going 250 iu 2x/wk you’re only using 2,000 iu per month, which means half of it will go bad. This is the reason that even though most guys should be using 2,000 iu/month alongside replacement, they just assume run larger whacks of it every so often. What you need to do is preload a bunch of pins and stick them in the freezer to prolong the half life of the HCG. After the initial month on it, start pulling a pin out of the freezer when you’re ready to use, it takes only about 2 min to thaw out, just the heat from your fingertips usually thaws it quick

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    • HCG is good for up to 30 days once it’s constituted in the bacterio water. However if going 250 iu 2x/wk you’re only using 2,000 iu per month, which means half of it will go bad. This is the reason that even though most guys should be using 2,000 iu/month alongside replacement, they just assume run larger whacks of it every so often. What you need to do is preload a bunch of pins and stick them in the freezer to prolong the half life of the HCG. After the initial month on it, start pulling a pin out of the freezer when you’re ready to use, it takes only about 2 min to thaw out, just the heat from your fingertips usually thaws it quick

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  22. Hey john, what do you recommend for my pct. I’m about to finish a cycle of

    Test E: 300mgs/week (12)
    Nandrolone deca: 300mgs/week (10)
    Anavar: 80mgs/daily last 6 weeks

    Planning on using HCG and clomid.
    You think nolvadex would be better than replacing one of these?

    I’m 26 btw..

    Thanks!

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    • One thing I forgot to mention is that i was taking aromasin at 12.5 mgs EOD but my nipples starting to get sensitive so I boost it to 12.5 ED… I am gymo prone but it is under control now. What will you recommend wth the cycle I just took listed above

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      • Def stay away from aromatizing compounds in the future if you are that gyno prone. You may want to use something stronger for suppression such as letrozole or hit the arimadex ed like you’re doing

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      • I’ve been on 250ml a week.. half a cg on Monday the other on Thursday.. for 7 months now.. I’m currently using hcg at 10ml every other day and aromatise or whatever the bitch tits preventer half a pill every day.. what do I need to do to cycle off?.. can I get buy with just hcg?.. since I’m already on it.. or do I need novadex and clomid?

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        • if you’re already on HCG then you can get by without it for PCT. I’d wait 2 wks post cycle and begin either arimadex, aromasyn or Red-PCT pills @ 3 pills per day for 30 days. They’re all hihly effective. Also, I’d start clomid at 2 wks post last shot and use 100mg/day for 1 week, then drop to 50mg/day an additional 3-4 weeks, since 7 months is a fairly long cycle I’d use more clomid your first week than just 50mg/day, 100 is more suitable that first week

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  23. Hey john, what do you recommend for my pct. I’m about to finish a cycle of

    Test E: 300mgs/week (12)
    Nandrolone deca: 300mgs/week (10)
    Anavar: 80mgs/daily last 6 weeks

    Planning on using HCG and clomid.
    You think nolvadex would be better than replacing one of these?

    I’m 26 btw..

    Thanks!

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  24. Sustanon 250 week 1-3 250mg per week, week 4-8 500mg per week, week 9-11 250mg per week.
    I have one week amp left (week 12). Question is will I be ok to not take anything at all and keep in my normal workout routine, keep drinking my whey protein, and running my normal 3-5 miles daily for the next 4-5 weeks then start back on cycle?

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    • no, if your plan is to avoid testosterone replacement then you need to stay off at least 12 wks. Jumping right back on will only lead to normal test levels that do not recover

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      • Ok I know everyone is different but with me staying on my routine and having a good protein diet would you think I can still retain mass during those 12wks? Or will I most likely lose a bit?

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  25. Hi john

    On 2nd cycle first I didn’t do to well due to misinformation and going in dumb.

    Currently on tren e 200ml a week split up over two days per week Monday Thursday with test e 100ml a week split up over two days Monday Thursday

    I take cabergoline every Monday one tab

    And I have nolvadex for pct

    Is this a pretty good set up. It’s a low dose I know but it is giving me awesome results and I’m having no side effects at all into 5th week. I’m asking as I’ve come across your site and your information would have to be the best I’ve come across.

    I’ve been told I can run this for 12-15 weeks is this also correct. I’ll run out of tren in 12 weeks anyway but due to low dose of test e I’ll have about 5 weeks left over… can I keep running that till it’s finished or do I just stop once tren is finished and start pct.

    With the nolvadex can you give me your thoughts on when I should start and how much I should take for pct

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    • I would not be using tren without the test, drop the tren before the testosterone runs out and try to run the test a week past tren. 12-15 wks on tren is too long anyways IMO, 10 wks max on tren, it’s harsh on the body. I’d start the nolvadex 2 wks post last shot of test and run it at 30/30/20/20 (30mg/day wk 1 & 2, 20 wk/3 & 4)

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      • Thanks John

        You say that tren is really harsh on the body.

        I’m only doing a low dose. Is that just as bad??

        Could you please recommend a good set up that gives the dry gains. Something different to tren but not as harsh. I just don’t like that bloated look you see guys getting on the gear.

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          • How many weeks do I run that???

            Do I still break the test prop over 2days during the week. Or just one a week??

            I can get my hands on nolvadex anytime so I guess I use that as my pct starting 2 weeks from last shot. Do u recommend anything else during cycle??

            Sorry for all the questions but you have been a great help

          • no, definitely go more than once a week on prop, I would do 3x/wk. I always liked Mon/Wed/Fri injection schedule. 100 mg 3x/wk would be good. With prop I’d start your PCT 10 days after you stop, it’s a fast acting test so you don’t need to wait a full 2 wks.

  26. Hello, starting a second cycle for Mass, bulking and strength gains

    running sus250/EQ250 with Oxymetholone

    PCTs and support on hand are: Aromasin/Arimidex/Hcg/Nolva/clomid/

    This is how I was thinking of running it:

    1-16 Sus250 @ 500mg per week
    1-16 EQ @ 500mg per week
    1-4 Oxy 50mg ed split 25mg 12 every 12 hours
    1-18 aromasin @ 12.5mg ed
    1-16 Hcg 500mg per week

    PCT:
    2 weeks or 3 weeks following last injection? Niot certain

    Nolva 40/40/20/10
    Clomid 100/50/50/25

    Help and advice please

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  27. Hi.

    I know from your article and others that obviously everyone is different, but there’s such a glut of information out there and it’s so contradictory. It’s confusing.

    I’m planning on running a 500mg test e 12 week cycle. I was thinking for PCT clomid 100/100/50/50 for the 4 weeks and 40/40/20/20 for Nova.

    However, I’m confused on the HCG and Arimidex. Are you suggesting 1mg Arimidex every other day with 250iu HCG twice a week and then to use neither of these after the twelfth week? Just use the Nova and Clomid?

    I’d really appreciate some guidance if you have any. Thanks!

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    • You can do it one of two different ways. You can use HCG during cycle and then not need it post cycle, or hit a whack of it post cycle for a cple weeks. Your PCT looks a little overkill to me, I’d drop your clomid down to 100/day the first 5-7 days only, then back it down to 50mg/day the remainder of the time. On the nolva, I myself would go 40/30/20/20. Too much nolva can cause adrenal fatigue and overproduction of DHEA, which in turn has the reverse effect on keeping estrogen levels under control and avoiding estrogen rebound.

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  28. I am 41 years old and been cycling on and off since 2007. I was put on low dose TRT prior to my cycles. During the course of these years I was able to attain really good size and definition but this year I am completely bloated and unable to attain any hardness.

    I ran EQ earlier in the year which I had good gains from and then switched to my TRT doeses only to be bloated and soft, no where near my previous shape. Not to mention I am gyno prone so happened to get puffy nipps. I used Mast P and Arimedex at 0.5 E3D but no use. Now I would like to completely cycle off using PCT.

    I would like to do following:

    1,500ius HCG for weeks 1 and 2? Remember I am gyno prone

    Weeks 1-2 Clomid 50mg / Nolva 40mg / Aromasin 10mg / Proviron 25mg EOD
    Weeks 3-4 Clomid 25mg / Nolva 20mg / Aromasin 10mg / Proviron 25mg EOD
    Week 5 Clomid 25mg / Nolva 10mg / Aromasin 10mg / Proviron 25mg EOD

    Thanks!

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    • Cycling off after 3 years of TRT is the stupidest thing you could do, you’ll be even more gyno prone. You need your E1 and E2 levels checked again, and if they’re out of range then get a proper dosage that will put them in range. I’m not even going to comment on PCT because in your case there is no PCT after 3 years straight TRT, dont do it bro, you’re gonna feel like shit

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  29. Hi John, I’m running test c 400mg a week for 10 weeks light extend to 15, would I be fine using only nova for pct since its a relatively low dose?

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  30. I’ve been on Winny. 100mg thrice a week and this was for three weeks. But its been more than a month. Haven’t been on PCT before. Still is PCT required? If so, for how long? Since it wasn’t a complete cycle as i had to discontinue it, when shall i start my next cycle?

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    • I’d use HCG for a couple wks at 2500iu/wk and arimadex for 3-4 wks at 1/2mg/day, if sex drive gets worse then cut adex to 1/2mg every other day. Winny doesn’t have the same rebound effect that other steroids do, you don’t need to be too aggressive with PCT, especially after just 3 wks on it. The PCT still wouldn;t hurt, I know it’s been a month but this is why I’m recommending HCG over clomid at this stage of the game

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  31. HI John,

    Have searched high and low to get some information and glad I stumbled on your site. I have been on cycle for a very long time, about 18+ months. Kept putting off coming off but I have no, (permanently). I am seeing a specialist to help get things back to normal and for now he just wants me to spend 4-5 months with nothing in my system, then do blood work. I live in Australia so it is hard to get Nolva/Clomid tabs alhough I am sure if I looked hard enough I could find it – I can get the liquid stuff from the USA though I am not sure how effective it is (have used Letro from these guys and it blew my sex drive away so that’s a sign it works).

    Anyway my question is:

    Should I run 20mg / Nolva ED for the next 8 weeks? Along with 50-100mg of Clomid? Just to help things along. I have 5000mcg of HCG in the fridge too which I could do the 2500mcg / week for 2 weeks I have seen you recommend. Any info would be great, thanks.

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    • Using absolutely nothing is a perfect recipe for low test/high estrogen and gynocomastia!!! Don’t listen to that fucker, you want an aromatase inhibitor, HCG, and a few initial weeks of clomid. I wouldn’t go 20mg/day of nolva for 8 wks, I’d use it for 4 wks at 40/30/20/20 while using arimadex at 1/2mg per day during HCG use, then continue on A-dex up until the 8 wk post cycle mark. I would use the nolvadex the first 4 wks to help stimulate LH production(leutinizing hormone) then discontinue after 4 wks but continue on A-dex the next 4 wks.

      Bottom line is there is only so much you’re going to do after 18+ months on cycle. It’s all going to be a matter of time at this point. But I would DEFINITELY hit that HCG, nolva, clomid, and arimadex!!! Then do not use anything for a VERY LONG TIME

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      • Thanks for the advice John. Yeah I totally fucked up here big time and am paying for it, lesson learned. Will follow your advice to a T as I have all that at home, really appreciate it. Going to document it all over the next 6-12 months with blood results and make sure no one ever does what I did. Cheers,

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      • Hi John to confirm:
        Nolva 4 weeks @ 40/30/20/20
        Clomid 4 weels @ 100/100/50/50
        HCG: 2 weeks @2500mcg a week — Do I split these shots up? or just one 2500mcg shot per week?
        Adex: 8 weeks 1/2mg per day

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        • right on everything, but split your hcg shots into twice/wk at 1250 iu’s each. The reason I’m telling you to split them is because HCG can cause gyno itself and it’s better not to take a big whack of it all in one poke

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  32. Hey John,
    Thanks for writing the book,

    I’m finishing up the 1 Vial cycle, and have got the 2 vial cycle in the wings for a few months down the road, I’m older 42 and these are my first cycles.

    So basic PCT clarification.
    I’ve run arimadex 1/2 pill daily during cycle and had good results, can I /should I keep running the arimadex as Pct for 4 weeks?

    I have both clomid and Nolvadex.
    I will run the Clomid as you suggested 2 weeks after last shot 20 days
    What about Nolvadex? When should that 4 weeks start?
    Next cycle I will probably just run a little Nolvadex during and do Clomid as PCT.
    Thanks

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  33. Hey John I just started testosterone cypionate 200 mg/ml and trenbolone enanthate 200mg/ml.. I take 1 ml test and 1/2 ml of tren. What do you recommend for my pct. I started first injections on Oct 6. Please advise.

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  34. Hey John. I had already finish my test e for 10 weeks.
    Can i wait for 3 weeks before nolva pct?
    Or should be faster than that? Because financial problems i had nowadays.

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  35. Hi John,

    I need help regards to what i should do for my PCT, the cycle i am going to run include:

    Length: 10 weeks

    Cycle layout:
    weeks 1 – 10 500mg Test E per week
    weeks 1 – 10 250mg Deca per week
    weeks 1 – 6 30mg Dianabol per day
    weeks 1 – 10 .5mg Arimidex (continued for 10 days post cycle)

    Everything listed there is all i have but with my research and reading your thread i believe i need more than that for PCT. Understanding also that Deca will stay in my system for quite a number of weeks.

    With the info above what i need to know/understand is; what PCT should i run or will need?

    Thanks in advance.

    Reply
    • I would continue the arimadex longer than just 10 days post cycle, I’d go 3 wks post cycle and if the plan is to stay off and actually recover then it would help to use clomid at 50mg/day for 3 wks as well. Your cycle isn’t that heavy, IMO what I’ve listed should be enough. If you can get HCG then 2500iu/wk x 2 wks would be beneficial as well.

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      • Thank you i really appreciate the response!

        Just to clarify correct me if i am wrong..

        10 – 13 .5mg Arimidex per day
        10 – 13 or week 13 – 16 50mg clomid per day (deca still in system since last injection week 10?)
        a little confused about HCG 2500iu per week for 2 weeks – is that during cycle or after cycle. what weeks should i be doing that?

        Thank you :)

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  36. Hi John!

    I wanna ask you some advice..

    Y ran a cycle One year ago for three months..400 mg nandrolone and 300mg boldenone per week…then i went on PCT doing 5000ui Hcg during two weeks and 20 mg tamoxifen…

    Two months later i (stupidly) went on a cycle because it was my competition time..so I have to be ON..y took 75mg EOD of thembone and 500 mg of test propionate per week for about 5 months..

    When I finished my competitions y did a PCT with Hcg and tamox + clomid..but two months later (now) I have done a blood work and my test, LH, FSH are too low..my prolactine is fine..

    I also have done a semen test…and the result was too bad..

    I don’t know what to do..I was thinking in run a HCG cycle of 1500 UI every three days for 6 weeks ..and then tamox + clomid..

    I be graceful for your answer and advice

    I’ll never run a cycle more than 10 weeks again..

    Thanks

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    • absolutely, as hcg can cause gyno in itself. Adding an AI will only help increase test levels as well. You can be conservative on it, I’d use arimadex twice/wk at .5mg or aromasyn at 10mg every other day, something like that, keep it light

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        • If I fun 750 units for 8 weeks what in your opinion would be a good pct and how long should I wait until I go back on DECA/test cycle?

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          • time on should equal time off(not counting PCT) however you failed to mention when you got off your last cycle or if you’re using test and deca during your HCG usage at 750 iu’s/wk. Are you speaking in terms of using 750iu’s/wk of HCG? Sorry if I’m misreading something here-JD

          • Yeah I took 500ml test and 400ml DECA a week for 10 weeks I did my pct with nolvadex .. I have been off cycle now for 4 months and wanted to try just a cycle of hcg… If I did hcg alone for 8 weeks would I have to wait another 8 to start a new test /DECA cycle? Hope that answers you questions thanks again

          • Honestly man, a lot of this is going to be individual specific. On paper you’ve already waited the common recommended time to take off, but if you truly feel not fully recovered yet then hitting HCG solo isn’t a bad idea. The only way to truly know is bloodwork, but if the symptoms of low test are present (lack of energy, sex drive, depression) then hitting that HCG for 8 wks isn’t a bad idea. If it were myself and I couldn’t get blood labs drawn for a hormone panel, I would kick it off with HCG solo for 4 wks, then begin my next cycle running just an aromatase inhibitor, then when I came off resume another 2 wks on HCG and back to normal PCT based on what you ran. Obviously a heavier cycle usually requires a heavier PCT

          • Remember that HCG has a shelf life of 30 days after mixing, so what you wanna do if you have to is preload insulin pins and stick them in the freezer to save them for post cycle. If this isn’t an option then hit a stronger whack of HCG once every 10-12 weeks, that is what I do myself. I burn through 5,000 iu’s in 2 wks (2500/wk) one rotation every 10-12 wks

  37. Hey Jon I’m new to all this gear talk. I’m 24 6’2 200 pounds. I’ve never done a cycle before. You seem like you know a lot about this topic so I would love to hear your opinion.. A few buddies I work with talked me into it and now I’m going for it but I want to be extremely safe about it and not have any permanent problems with anything. Here’s what I got
    250 test cyp
    200 tren ace
    1cc twice a week for a 10 week cycle.
    They told me alls I would need is aromison and so I got that..They said wait exactly 2 weeks from your last shot and start aromison. But my other friend I got my stuff from said he has permanent damage and can’t ever get his dick up.. Like I don’t want that.. So if there’s anything els I need to be taking please let me know.

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  38. I also forgot to mention that I have winny. I was told to use that half way through my cycle due to the fact I only have the amount of 30 uses. On my pct I did not fully say how much aromison I would use. I got it in a spray bottle so I’m assuming 1 squirt a day for 30 days and that’s all my pct? Please let me know what all I need to do here. Thx

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  39. Hi John Doe,

    i am Planning to go on a cycle like:
    12 Weeks 500mg TestoE a Week

    I have got a Gyno Removing Surgery. So no more Problems with it.

    What should my PCT look like now?

    I thought about:
    10 Days after last shot
    50mg/day Clomid for 20 Days

    Is ist correct. In Terms of Bitch Tits i dont have to be aware of anymore.
    But i have problems with water retention so i may have to get some Nolva through out the cycle?

    What about HCG?

    My Wife and i want to have Kids next year

    Greetings from Germany.

    John Done

    Sorry for my bad english

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  40. Your site is fantastic! I am learning a lot and getting a better sense of how all this works. I have always worked out, run about 12%-15% BF and really watch the diet. Its probably to low in carbs but I like that lean toned look. All that being said, I am 51, 5’10 176 have reached the wall and am really considering a reasonable stack. I have Test C, Deca and Anavar on hand. Here is what I am thinking

    test cyp week 1-12 300mg/week (150×2/wk)
    deca week 1-3 300mg/week
    anavar week 7-12 30mg/ED
    Aromasyn 10mg EOD or Arimidex .05 EOD
    After 2 weeks– Nolvadex 40-40-20-20

    I am looking for HCG for post if I can get it.. Do you mix the Test and Deca in the same shot? What do you think? Too much for the first cycle? Not sure how much I will ever do again, my bodies laugh at me when I say that.

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  41. I finished a cycle of sustanon (500mg/week), equipoise (500mg/week)a month ago. I made a pct this way:
    – hcg 1000ui every 2 days during 20 days
    – nolvadex 40 mg/day, started 5 days after last injection, took it 4 weeks
    – clomid 100mg/day 1-5, 50mg/day 6-21, started the day after the last injection of hcg

    But my balls are still atrophy and I do not feel like my testosterone levels are back to normal.
    So I bought hcg (10 000ui), clomid and nolvadex, all three pharmaceutical grade to make another pct

    I’m wrinting to you to know the exact way I should use it to restart my balls

    Thank you

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    • Etienne, some loss in testicular size is going to be unavoidable despite using hcg/nolva/clomid. With myself there was an initial loss in size but then it’s like they came to a halting point and cycle after cycle didn’t effect them. What I do is run through a 5,000iu vial of HCG about every 10 or 12 wks for a period of 2 wks at 2,500iu/wk. I don’t really know what you mean by “restarting your balls” but they probably are not going to return to what they once were, but chicks don’t really care about balls anyways. As long as you’re shooting loads who cares right?

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  42. Hey John I have some questions. I’m 35 just got put on trt @ 100mg every 10 days. I’m about to run a 12 week 500mg test e cycle.
    Im going to run 12.5 mg aromasyn eod during the cycle. Being on trt what should the pct consist of? What should the hcg consist of, and with the pct should I use the nolva and Clomid, or just get back to the prescribed pinning? Thanks for all the great info it’s much appreciated.

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    • Mike, no reason at all for traditional PCT if you’re already on TRT. The only thing you really need to be concerned with is hitting some HCG every once in awhile to keep your nuts from shrinking. What I do is hit 2,500iu of HCG for 2 wks in a row (5,000iu total) about once every 10-12 wks or so. Not sure how often you need to go in for bloodwork but 500mg/wk is going to take a good month or so to get back down to normal to low/normal range. Keep this in mind, you aren’t going to just run 500/wk for 12 wks and then wait a week and go into the Doc’s showing normal. If it were myself I’d shorten the cycle to 8 wks and then go in looking normal at week #12. But again, not sure how often you need to have blood drawn. The aromasyn dose looks spot on to me, everyone is a little different but that’s exactly where I’d start anyone

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      • Thanks you so much for the reply. I blood test every 3 months but trying to push it out to longer in between. You are the man and love all the info you provide.

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  43. I am 33 and currently on TRT and have been for a few years. I am using Anastrozole 1/2 tablet twice a week and 1 ML Cypionate once every 2 weeks. I am currently 250LBS and was thinking about trying to start a cycle but I don’t know to much about it. I was wondering what advice you would have for a newbie like me and what else I might need to have on hand.

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    • I’m really just trying to find out what kind of short cycle I can do to put on a little muscle and drop some body fat and the proper way to do it

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    • Check out “Straight from the Underground”, man I couldn’t possibly explain here what that book can tell you. It’s well worth the $29.95!! Think of it like this, is your health and well-being worth $29.95? Also, it’s a guide to building muscles!!! I’m not trying to push a sale here, but I’m being serious about getting as much as you can and answering your questions. This is why I wrote the book

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  44. 1-12 Test Enanthate 250mg x 2 shots per week -500mg week total

    1-12 HCG 250IUx 2 shots per week

    1-12 Arimidex .5mg eod

    14-17 Clomid 50mg every day (starting 10 days after last E shot)

    14-17 Nolvadex 40/30/20/20 every day

    I’m trying to get my AI and PCT dosages and days correct….does this look ok?
    Thanks in advance for your time and advice.
    This is my first cycle.
    I’m 44, 6’6″ 240 lbs

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  45. Hi John Doe,

    i am Planning to go on a cycle like:
    12 Weeks 500mg TestoE a Week

    I have got a Gyno Removing Surgery. So no more Problems with it.

    What should my PCT look like now?

    I thought about:
    10 Days after last shot
    50mg/day Clomid for 20 Days

    Is ist correct. In Terms of Bitch Tits i dont have to be aware of anymore.
    But i have problems with water retention so i may have to get some Nolva through out the cycle?

    What about HCG?

    My Wife and i want to have Kids next year

    Greetings from Germany.

    John Done

    Sorry for my bad english

    Reply
    • Go with clomid, HCG, and arimadex. If you cannot get HCG then trade out arimadex for nolvadex instead. Nolva is better for stimulating LH production, arimadex is better to prevent estrogen formation to begin with or keep it down during PCT. If you want to have kids then you may need to come off cycle for 6 months or so, that’s what I had to do and that was before TRT

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  46. 2 real quick questions if you don’t mind. (Please and thank you!!)

    1. If I do start to feel sore or itchy nipples halfway through my cycle, what amount and how often should I start immediately taking nolvadex at?

    2. What size syringes do I need for hcg?

    Thanks so much! Watched your grocery vlog last night. As soon as it started I said “He just worked out biceps”. The you said so just a few minutes in…haha. Appreciate you giving back your time to help others (me!).

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    • The fastest thing to rid gyno from what I’ve read is letrozole, but I’ve never used it nor needed it. As for nolvadex, nolva keeps the estrogen from binding to receptors at the breast tissue, but doesn’t eliminate it. Aromatase inhibitors prevent the conversion in the first place. But nolva will help symptoms of gyno subside, if I had any of these symptoms I’d go straight for 40mg/day for the first week, then drop back to 20mg/day. I’ve never been gyno prone, everyone is different

      HCG, you want insulin syringes, any sort of slin pin will work. The 1 ml pins make life easier. Easiest way to do it is to drop 1cc of water in a 5,000iu vial of HCG, and fill it to the 25 mark and inject twice/wk for 2 wks during PCT. Simple…easy…effective

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  47. Last question, and thanks for answering so detailed. I read that someone said you can mix your HCG the first week of your cycle and fill pins with it and then freeze your pins. It supposedly only takes a few minutes of warm fingers to thaw it out completely to room temps. This helps your vial last so you can shoot 250 IU twice a week (10’weeks) all cycle and not have to worry about the potency going down in your vial. Ever heard of this? This would be my ideal way to use it instead of 2500IU all at once as PCT. would freezing work in your opinion?

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    • That was probably me who said that. Yes it works, to what degree of potency it holds I don’t believe 100% but probably 75% I’m guessing. Yea, they thaw really fast, the warmth of your fingertips will thaw them in less than a minute or two. You could do this if you don’t mind pre-loading all of those pins, I did it one time and was pretty much thinking “fuck this” so I just run a whack every few months. Ideally you’d want 2,000iu vials if you can find them but this isn’t the most cost effective way of doing it, since 5,000iu vials aren’t that much more expensive really.

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  48. About to begin a new cycle and didnt want to go to heavy. I have 4 10ml bottles of Test P (100mg/ml) and 2 10 ml bottles of Tren A (75mg/ml) and I have some Nolva for pct. I’m 30 yrs old, 6ft, 175lbs. What would be your recommended dosage/cycle for this quantity?

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    • 1cc of each on Mon/Wed/Fri for 10 wks (tren for first 6 1/2 wks out of the 10 wks) Done this exact same cycle before w/ good results, although I no longer use tren

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  49. • 39 years of age
    • Only used gear (deca/primo) once many years ago

    – 400mg/wk Equi for 12wks
    – 40mg/day Oxa for 10wks (starting 1wk after Equi)
    – 20-120mg/day Clen for 3wks (starting 1wk after last Equi injection)

    I have Clomid and HCG at my disposal for PCT can you recommend how much of those two are needed, also is there a need for AI for this particular cycle?? Thank you very much for your time and help!

    Reply
    • consider ordering Straight from the Underground, I wrote this in depth ebook to address questions like this in complete detail

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  50. I need some help on AI and PCT from you if you dont mind. I unfortunately dont have access to HCG (at least not yet), but I have plenty of all of the following on hand: Clomid, Arimidex, Nolvadex.

    Can you please help me finish out the rest of my cycle….I’ve seen some suggestions that seem like overkill and then some that suggest I probably can get away with using basically nothing unless gyno symptoms arise. I need some guidance if you have the time..
    Also could you suggest how much and when I should take HCG if I can get my hands on some..

    This is what I have……feel free to tweak it…..

    Week 1-10 Test Enan 250mg/week
    Week 1-10 Primobolan 100mg/week

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  51. The above comment is mine….a few nice turn of events since I posted. I found a buddy who has HCG and also a bunch of Aromasin.
    So could you fill in the AI and PCT amounts and days for HCG, Aromasin, Clomid and Nolvadex. I can get as much as I need of any of them.

    Thanks a lot……I promise I’ll give you a break after this one….you’ve been way beyond cool about answering stuff for me and I really appreciate it.

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    • Chris, there is a multitude of answers I could give you based on what you’re running and what PCT is necessary. I cannot answer all of that in a comment reply. I would seriously look into Straight from the Underground ebook I have available, it’s going to address all of this. It will go far beyond what I can answer here in a comment. We could go back and forth on this with a dozen Q & A sessions. Thanks

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        • it talks about bloodwork and key things to look for, TRT, low dose cycles that work well with TRT, PCT, tons of cycle layouts, etc etc. Way more than I could ever answer here bro

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  52. I want to run a low dose of test at 250 a week,with maybe 200 of bold for say 10 weeks,but the test to start,I have hcg,would it be necessary to hcg twice a week or not on that low of test,or does it matter if I stack it with or without bold or Orals

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    • you should run them both to start since the EQ doesn’t start to bang until the test does anyways. 200/wk of boldenone isn’t going to get you much, I’d go at least 300-400mg/wk. As for HCG, it’s not necessary but it will help

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  53. Got a “beginner” cycle ready just need quick easy advice or correction I should say. One vial of Test E 250 for an 8 week cycle at 250mg for 6 weeks with two weeks in the middle at 500mg. I also have enough boldenone for 12 weeks at 300mg/wk. Got Clomid for 20 days (100mg first 10 days & 50mg the second 10days) and two 5000IU of HCG for post cycle. Does this look alright considering it is a first cycle? Thanks in advance man! Next up is getting you’re book!

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  54. What are your thoughts on a first ever cycle of 300mg Test E for 10 weeks but running it with 50mg Proviron each day?
    I can run the test at 500mg but since its a first cycle I was being cautious. Any thoughts? Should I run 300 or 500mg and should I use the Proviron or not in your opinion?
    I’m almost 45 years old if that matters….6’6″ 240 lbs.

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  55. Hey john would appreciate some advice 22 year old running my first cycle was planning on doing 500mg test enthanate and 250mg deca per week per week. When should I drop the deca In my cycle? How much arimidex should I take? And what would you reccommend for pct/ what amounts would I take ?

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  56. Hi John.
    If I have only Nolvadex, and I plan to run 500mg of testosterone propionate (Testovis Bayer) per week for 12 weeks, what would be a proper pct (considering I’m 29 years old)? Something like 40/30/20/20 starting 10 days after last shot?
    Thank you very much from Italy.

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  57. On a cycle of 500mg Test E only, it seems like overkill to take Arimidex, Nolvadex, Clomid, & HCG.
    I can remember my buddy (25 years ago) taking Test and Anadrol and only having nolvadex on hand in case or maybe he took 1 tab per day…I dont remember.
    But my point is, at what point is it too much to take?
    If I have nolvadex on hand for any itchy or puffy nipples during, what would be the next best thing to have for PCT or to take during the cycle? I dont really want to take 4 different things (AI, SERM, etc..) if I dont have to. If they will benefit me then cool. But I know most cycles 20 years ago didn’t use this stuff. Have we come so much farther that these things are proven to make that BIG of a difference or not?

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  58. Hey john would appreciate some advice : Im 38 ,I’ve been on a 6 week cycle of Tren Ace + Test Prop – 100ml of each EOD . Plan to keep test Prop for another week or two and then start PCT. What would you do and recomend for PCT? I can find pretty much everything.. HCG,Clomid,Nolvadex,Arimidex,Proviron
    Thanks a lot!

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    • begin hcg 5 days after your last shot, do the hcg for 14 days, hit 1250iu 2x/wk for those 2 wks. If your plan is to stay off cycle and recover then I would use arimadex at 1/2mg everyday during your hcg usage, then drop to 1/2mg eod for an additional 2 wks thereafter. Clomid should be ran at 50mg/day for 3 wks straight, beginning the day you also start HCG. Hope this helps

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  59. Hey there. Great article. I have got my hands on HCG and clomid:

    Is it ok to use them both together at pct? Everywhere I read say HCG is only during cycle.

    My cycle was not heavy at all. Just the one compound at low dose.

    I know everybody’s body reacts differently to compounds, but can you confirm if it is ok to use HCG at with PCT after the last pin?

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    • yea, I always use it post cycle, but revert back to my TRT dosage. Its good to use during cycle but the only reason I dont use it this way is the shelf life is only 30 days once its mixed, you can preload lins and stick in freezer but its a pain in the ass. So I just run a whack of hcg every 10-12 wks or so

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      • Hi John,

        Also just wanted to ask can both be used together? Usually I just use clomid (or clomid and nolva).

        My first time using HCG during PCT so just wanted to ask can it be run at the same time as clomid. Or is it best to run hcg first for a couple of weeks and then clomid. My last pin of prop was about 3 days ago so am ready to start tomorrow. Some people advise they shouldn’t be run together so it’s a little confusing.

        Appreciate your thoughts on this.

        Thanks,
        Dave

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  60. Hey John, awesome site. So im 33 and im going to run a cycle of test E alone. I do not want to gain too much weight as im looking more into a lean muscle shape. Never juiced before so i was thinking to start with 250 mg / week to start. I believe im a little bit gyno prone. What do you recommend ?
    Thanks

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  61. Hey John, great article. Quick PCT question. First off my cycle was as follows: Week 1-9 EQ@500mg/wk, Week 1-2 Sus250@250mg/wk, Week 3-9 Test Cyp@500mg/wk.
    Now i’m approaching the 14 day mark after my last shot(s) (test and eq) and have more than enough nolvadex and clomid. I read that eq stays in the system for about 3 weeks after the last shot and since I originally planned on starting my PCT 2 weeks after should I reconsider and start it 3 weeks after due to the EQ? Also, is nolvadex at 40/40/20/20 enough or should I throw in some clomid as well?
    I am 23 years old and used a prohormone called epistane a couple years ago but as for injectables this is my first cycle. Thanks and all the best.

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  62. Hi John. Im 35 years old 6.3 270 lbs i want to start lite and take 250ml of testoprim 1time weekly for 9 weeks. Do you think any pct will be necesarry. Im gonna rest 12 weeks then hit it with 500 ml weekly for 9 weeks

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    • yea you’re better off with PCT, doesnt have to be crazy bu definitely get at least some clomid in there post cycle, nolvadex as well if you can source it

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  63. How much if each and for how long. I also have enough to run a full cycle of 500 ml a week but decided to start lite. Will it even be worth it?

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  64. hey john is it necessary to have hcg on my first 12week cycle of test enanthate only ?

    will it help in keeping more gains when using hcg vs not using it ?

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  65. hey john is it necessary to have hcg on my first 12week cycle of test enanthate only ?

    will it help in keeping more gains when using hcg vs not using it ?

    also they dont have bac water out here

    is there any other way to use hcg

    help me here brother

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  66. How much of nolva and clomid and for how long if onky taking 250ml of test for 9 weeks. I also have enough to run a full cycle of 500 ml a week but decided to start lite. Will it even be worth it?

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  67. Hi
    Please i am gettin little bit confused.
    I amstarting cycle
    testosteron enenthat 1-10 week 500 mg a week (tuesday-250 mg, thursday 250 mg)
    Anavar – 7-11 week 50 mg EOD
    Arimidex 0,5mg EOD
    PCT
    Novaldex 12- 15 week 40/40/20

    my questaion is do i need clomid?I have a gyno from teen age os i guess i am sensitive for that.
    Please help me
    Thank you
    Radim

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    • You’d be best off using anavar ed, and clomid is better to include if your plan is to come off and recover. If you have past issues with gyno then my suggestion would be arimadex as well as nolvadex. Nolva will be better at stimulating leutinizing hormone (what makes your nuts produce testosterone again) but arimadex is better at keeping estrogen from rising or forming in the first place. In your case I’d use both. For PCT go with 1/2mg adex everyday and stick to your nolva protocol. The 2 in conjunction with one another will help for a speedier recovery

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  68. John,

    I notice in most of your recommended cycles that you always have the Test at around 300mg/week.
    If I wanted to run a Test E only cycle and it’s my first cycle, do you think doing 500mg/week is too much or am I still within the conservative approach range?
    I just want to stay below that line where rewards still outweigh the risks.
    My goal is to do 2 cycles over the next 18 months and stop. I just want a bigger, stronger, better looking physique.
    I’m planning on doing 500mg Test E and running 50mg Proviron with it for 12 weeks.
    My 2nd cycle will be 300mg Test E, 400mg Primobolon and 50mg Proviron.

    All with HCG during, Arimidex on hand and clomid/Nolva pct.

    Do the amounts in both cycles look ok? I’m typically more conservative and would prefer to err on the side of caution. But I do want results! Training and diet is on point. I’m 44.

    Thanks for any advice and help.

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    • At your age I would go straight for 500mg/wk since your levels are most likely lower than someone half your age. I personally stay lower on test because it provides me a more quality look and I don’t have to deal with bloating, but if test is the only compound then I’d do as you have proposed. Your 2nd cycle looks on point too

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  69. Hey John, I was taking 20mg methelayted test and 30mg of winstrol tabs all oral each day for about 5 weeks my first ever cycle. I am now on my pct had to wait about 4 days after I finished my cycle to receive my novla and hcg. I am 24 and I am a bit worried because im experiencing some erectile dysfunction. I cant get my hands on any clomid and all I have is novla. Should I be as worried as I am or do you believe I will bounce back after my pct is over?

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    • You’ll bounce back, it’s just time. Your test wasn’t run real high at only 20mg/day and since you can’t get clomid then run your nolva for 3 wks at 30mg/day wk 1, 20mg/day wks 2-3. Most go 4 wks on nolva for PCT but your cycle was light and short, and what we don’t want is the PCT drugs messing with you because you went overkill on it. Give it a decent month post cycle, you’ll come back

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      • Thanks for the great advice you really know you’re stuff and the article you wrote was very informative. il follow the dosage you recomend im currently on week 2 of novla il run it for 1 more week. Ty for all the info and help.

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  70. Hey john im about to start a cycle of test400 at 400ml a week. My question is would i need to take hcg or anything during the cycle or could i just use hcg for pct

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    • u could either run 250iu 2x/wk throughout the entire cycle or what I normally do, and that is 2500iu/wk for 2 wks post cycle. The problem with during cycle is that most hcg vials are 5,000iu and hold a shelf life of only 30 days once mixed with water. So unless you want to go through hassle of preloading a shitload of pins and sticking them in the freezer to prolong shelf-life, I would just use it post cycle

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  71. Hi Joe, I talked to you a couple months ago about hcg.. just to refresh, I am 5’11” 205 lbs have ran a couple of cycles of test, and a couple of cycles of test and deca, I wanted to to do a hcg cycle. I have all my stuff together. All that I have read some people say take a shot everyday some say twice a week.. I was planning on going thru 1500-2500 a week. Your thoughts .. thus is my first hcg cycle. Also I was thinking 1mg of Arimidex a day. Let me know what you think. Thanks Joe

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    • HCG by itself or the “HCG diet” is hogwash. It will do little on it’s own and it became popular with clinics who were loading fat loss patients up on phentermine and a measly 500 calorie a day diet. 1500-2500/wk is way too much for someone not in recovery mode from a steroid cycle and I think it’s just a bad idea in general. I’d save it for when you actually need recovery or hpta stimulation while on a cycle

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  72. Starting my first cycle within the next 2-3 weeks.
    I’m doing 250mg test-e for 10 weeks, taking 2 weeks off and will start PCT.
    Will 20 tablets of clomid (once a day for twenty days) be a sufficient PCT?

    BTW the 1 vial cycle article was fantastic. Very helpful!

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  73. Hey John I m 30 years old starting my first cycle for 8 weeks going to take stanozolol and tren h half ml/ 50mg every alternate days for instance day 1 stano and day 2 tren h and so on.. and also adding anavar starting with 2 tablets means 20mg to 50mg till end and CLA, milk thifle and clenbutarol. And omega.. For post considering nolvadex clomid and hcg for 4 weeks. Plz tell if my cycle looks ok to u and plz sugest d best.. thankyou..

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    • it looks fine only I’d def add testosterone in the mix since you’re using tren.Tren with no test = no fun and pissed off

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  74. Hi john, would you change or add anything to this cycle I have planned?

    Weeks 1-2; 800mg/wk EQ frontloaded, 200mg/wk test e

    Weeks 3-11; 400mg/wk eq, 200mg/wk test e

    Weeks 9-12; 50mg/ed Winny,
    200mg/wk test e

    Week 1 to 12; hCG @ 250 iu every 3.5 days (500 iu/week total)

    Week 1-14; Arimidex @ 0.25mg every other day (From day 2 up until PCT starts)

    Pct- clomid/nolva
    Clomid @ 75/50/50/50
    Nolvadex @ 40/20/20/20

    Thanks.

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  75. Hey John, Im running Test E 600mg for 15weeks, Tren E 450mg for 10weeks and winny 50mg ED for the last 4weeks of cycle.
    I’m currently on Aromasin at 25mg EOD and have pretty sore joints (2nd week of cycle) should i scale it back to 12.5mg EOD? I’ve got Nolvadex and clomid on hand for PCT.
    2 weeks of nolva 20mg ED, followed by 4weeks of clomid 50mg ED. I cant really get blood work done easily as its a pretty taboo topic in Aus. So anything you see wrong with my stack? Thanks

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    • yes, your aromasin is too high and that’t why your joints are sore, scale back to 12.5 eod like you are proposing. As for PCT I would begin to use your clomid with the nolvadex, not an additional 4 wks after the nolvadex. Wait 2 week post last injection and begin nolvadex and clomid together, and if it were myself I’d go 100mg of clomid for first 7 days and then 50mg/day the next 2 wks rather than running it 4 wks, but this is just me

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  76. Hey Jonh

    Its my first cycle and I want to run 500 mg of Durateston a week for 8 weeks. I also have anavar that I want to combine with. How much anavar should I take and when during the cycle?
    For PCT I dont know if clomid only is enough?
    Thanks for your help

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    • with legit anavar the best dosage for results is going to be 50-80mg/day, you can get by on 30-40mg/day but I personally find it really bangs over 50mg/day. As for PCT, it wouldn’t hurt to use nolvadex as well @ 30/20/20/10 (weekly dosage per day x 4 weeks, beginning at same time as clomid

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  77. Hey John
    I’m an old guy…60. Just ran my first cycle in about 20 years. Loved it now 5’8″, 202 lbs, 8.4% body fat
    cycle was:
    weeks 1-10 300 mg deca, 450 mg test prop
    11-12 150 mg deca 200 mg test
    13,14 no deca, 100 mg test
    two weeks after last test shot was going to run PCT (we never did this back in the day)
    100 clomid per day 1 week then 50 per day 3 weeks
    40 nolva per day 2 weeks then 20 per day 2 weeks

    Too much PCT? 3 weeks total enough? I ‘ll start PCT this week.
    Thoughts?
    thanks
    Mike

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    • Nah, I think you were fine with that PCT protocol. You may just find you don’t recover as well at 60 yrs old. If it were me all bets would be off at your age, I’d be hitting at least a maintenance dose test for life, you’ll love life a lot more this way

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  78. 35 y/o here. I’ve been reading your pages for a couple weeks now, trying to wrap head around this. My plan for first cycle is as follows:
    1-12 250 test e 2x wk
    1-12 250 iu hcg 2x wk
    1-14 .25 arimidex eod
    15-19 75/50/50/50 clomid
    15-19 40/20/20/20 nolvadex
    possibly adding anavar the last 6 weeks of cycle

    Question for you man: i’m going to be traveling for 9 days. Do I double the dosage I inject (and bring the pills with me?) Or do I try to take it with me (risky)? Or do i just skip those 9 days except for arimidex? Haven’t found conclusive evidence I can trust from a source. What’s your opinion?

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    • Bring the pulls with you, put in either a script container or a supplement container that would have pills in it. As for the test, just pin 500mg the day you leave, then when you return resume normal inject schedule. A cple days late on a test injection isn’t going to hurt anything

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  79. John,

    You are a wealth if freaking knowledge, and you certainly take pride in helping everyone, it’s pretty damn impressive.

    Its been years since I have run any gear. I would like to start back up very light with a long run of primo. The reason so light is bc I’m 36 and working on starting a family, so the least amount of negative impact on my guys, the better. Can you recommend a pct anytjing else I’d need during cycle to keep me as safe as possible ? Like I said the safer the better, just hitting a wall and need a kick in the ass for slow steady gains. Any insight would be greatly appreciated

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    • run HCG at 250iu 2x/wk throughout your cycle. Shelf life of HCG is 30 days once mixed, so what you may need to do is mix a 5,000iu vial and take at least half of it and preload insulin pins and stick them in the freezer to prolong the shelf life of the HCG. Once you kill the vial, then begin to use your pins you preloaded and stuck in freezer. You shouldn’t have as bad of suppression if you’re doing this

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  80. My brother recommended I might like this blog.
    He was totally right. This put up actually made my day.
    You cann’t believe just how so much time I had spent for this information! Thank
    you!

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  81. Hey, thanks for such a great post. I have been doing my research before starting a cycle and this is what I think would be best for me to accomplish my short-term goal. I am 43 years old and have no desire to be a body builder. I have always been into fitness and have done testosterone therapy many times in the past. I weigh 167 if that matters. My goal is to put on some muscle mass (and keep it on after naturally). Also, I want my natural testosterone production to bounce back and quickly as possible once cycle is over. Please let me know your thoughts on the below cycle:

    weeks
    1-14 Test Cyp 200mg twice a week monday and thursday
    1-12 Deca-Durabolin – nandrolone decanoate – 300mg once a week
    4-16 HCG – human chorionic gonadotropin – 250ius twice a week
    2-14 Anastrozole 1MG Tablet twice per week.
    16-18 (optional) clomid 25mg ED

    Debating if this is necessary:
    12-16 hcgenerate 3 caps am 2 caps pm
    12-16 forma-stanzol 5 pumps am and pm

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  82. Hi John, awesome articles and very knowledgable person you are.

    I’m 32, 183lb, bf 18% and have been training for more than 4years now – just your thoughts on the following Cycle, pls tweak when you feel necessary:

    1-10wk Test e/c @200mg e3.5d (400mg/week) “Monday@8am/Thursday@8pm”.

    1-3wk Dbol @20mg eod, split dosed @10 every 12hrs, kicking start the Cycle with strength only.

    7-10wk Anavar @40mg eod, split dosed @20 every 12hrs – adding Anavar here just for that little extra strength and leaning a bit.

    Choice of Ancillaries during Cycle:
    1-10wk Arimidex @0.5 eod to keep body a bit lean – and prevention of any Gyno symptoms.

    1-10wk Finasteride @1mg ed “hairloss prevention”
    Or
    1-10wk Dutasteride @2.5mg ed

    1-10wk body protection supplements “liver, kidney, heart” just to keep internal organs intact.

    2-10wk HCG @250iu e3.5d (500iu/week) “Monday@8am/Thursday@8pm”.

    5-10wk Accutane @10mg if Acne increases.

    During 12-14wk gap between Cycle and PCT, taking the following:
    12-14wk Aromasyn @12.5 eod
    12-14wk Test Booster supplementation OTC.

    PCT 15-19wk the following:
    15wk 50mg ed Clomid
    16wk 50mg
    17wk 25mg
    18wk 25mg
    19wk 12.5mg

    15wk 40mg ed Nolvadex
    16wk 20mg
    17wk 20mg
    18wk 20mg
    19wk 10mg

    15wk 7.5mg eod Aromasyn
    16wk 7.5mg

    After this, l’ll take a break about 15wks before starting the next cycle “same as above”.

    Regards

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    • Apologies John, pls ignore my previous post “some errors were in there” – see below new comment:

      I’m 32, 183lb, bf 18% and have been training for more than 4years now – just your thoughts on the following Cycle, pls tweak when you feel necessary:

      1-10wk Test e/c @200mg e3.5d (400mg/week) “Monday@8am/Thursday@8pm”.

      1-3wk Dbol @20mg eod, split dosed @10 every 12hrs, kicking start the Cycle with strength only.

      7-10wk Anavar @40mg eod, split dosed @20 every 12hrs – adding Anavar here just for that little extra strength and leaning a bit.

      Choice of Ancillaries during Cycle:
      1-10wk Arimidex @0.5 eod to keep body a bit lean – and prevention of any Gyno symptoms.

      1-10 Finasteride @1mg ed “hairloss prevention”
      Or
      1-10Dutasteride @2.5mg ed

      1-10 body protection supplements “liver, kidney, heart” just to keep internal organs intact.

      2-10wk HCG @250iu e3.5d (500iu/week) “Monday@8am/Thursday@8pm”.

      5-10wk Accutane @10mg if Acne increases.

      During 11-12wk gap between Cycle and PCT, taking the following:
      11-12wk Aromasyn @12.5 eod

      11-12wk Test Booster supplementation OTC.

      11-12wk Finasteride @1mg ed “hairloss prevention”
      Or
      11-12wk Dutasteride @2.5mg ed

      11-12wk body protection supplements “liver, kidney, heart” just to keep internal organs intact.

      PCT 13-17 the following:
      13wk 50mg ed Clomid
      14wk 50mg
      15wk 25mg
      16wk 25mg
      17wk 12.5mg

      13wk 40mg ed Nolvadex
      14wk 20mg
      15wk 20mg
      16wk 20mg
      17wk 10mg

      13wk 7.5mg eod Aromasyn
      14wk 7.5mg

      13-17wk body protection supplements “liver, kidney, heart” just to keep internal organs intact

      After this, l’ll take a break about 15wks before starting the next cycle “same as above”.

      Regards

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  83. Hey brother ,
    am 20 years and training for 3 years , and now thinking about roids because my muscle mass is not increasing so now am thinking about :-

    dbol 30mg Everyday for 6 weeks
    test Enanthate 250mg for 8 weeks

    what should be my Post cycle therapy

    I will be awaiting for reply .

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  84. Hey John, thanks for the great information.
    I am running 10 week cycle:
    500 mg test-e/wk(1-10 weeks )
    Dbol 30 mg/day(3-7 week) total 5 weeks
    Taking nolvadex-10/day after starting with dbol.

    Is HCG is needed in between cycle or in pct.
    Or just Clomid and Nolva is enough.

    What would be the correct pct and with how much mg ?

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    • HCG certainly will help restore HPTA function faster, use it if you can acquire it. I’d do something like 100mg/day clomid for a week, then 50mg/day for an additional 2 wks, nolvadex for 3-4 wks, something like 30/30/20/20 or 30/20/20 for 3 weeks. You kind of have to go by how you feel, you do not want to over-do your anti-e’s, just enough to help recover

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  85. Hey

    What would te best PCT be for a cycle of 40ml test prop an 40ml tren ace over 10-12weeks, roughly a ml of each every 2-3 days?

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  86. Greetings dude!! Been trawling through all your questions answered just looking to clarify something . Here’s my first cycle plan:

    Week1-10 test E 400mg x2 per week
    Week1-10 arimidex 0.5mg EOD
    Week 12-14 clomid 50mg ED
    Week14-16 clomid 25mg ED

    Training and diet will be on point, just looking to minimise internal disruption with AI and pct advice.

    Many thanks , I realise you’ve been asked this similar question a number of times. Apologies for that.. Just want confirm

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    • 800/wk is too much for a first cycle in my opinion, but if you’re going to do that then you’re ancillaries look fine with it. PCT looks good, it wouldn’t hurt to throw a little nolvadex in there with the clomid. Something like 20mg/day week 1, then 10mg/day wks 2-4. Nolva is not superior to adex for keeping estrogen down, but it is superior to it for restoring the HPTA during recovery

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  87. Hi John. Thanks for all the information, and information on your blog.

    I am not a bodybuilder , however i’ve tried forever to get defined abs. After a LOT of tries (and doctors) i found out i have low T levels. (and i mean LOW. Normal levels are a third of the minimum level reported from the lab). This has been going since i was 28 (i am now 35). After so many doctors (and here doctors wont go HRT) last year i started working out ,this time with a personal trainer, who got me into steroids.
    He made a lot of errors (after reading your blog and other sites) but at least introduced me to steroids.

    Today i am on 125mg test enanthate a week and 50mg of nandrolone. I cycled it last year 3 months on and 4 months off. I’ve been miserable in the off months (PCT used HCG , proviron and tamoxifen/nolvadex). My testies wont produce normal levels of test. (it improved like 40% , but still way lower than minimum).

    So now i am continuosly shooting, and been ok. However i am worried about the testies.
    I found out nolvadex 20mg once or twice a week will keep estrogen and progesterone levels within normal range (for a guy). But i’m still worried about testicle-health.

    Do you have any recommendations for this ?

    btw, since on hrt, ive lost weight ( i went from 30% bodyfat to 20% bodyfat and 180lb of fair muscle ), sleep apnea dissapeared from day 1, depression went away, etc etc. And if anyone wonders, i have had MRI, scanners, and dozens of exams looking for tumors, pituitary issues, etc etc… and everything is normal – except for T levels (and a little hypothyroidism). And i monitor hormone/lipids/liver/prostate markers every month.

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    • Doubtful you’d be coming back to normal levels, for testicle shrinkage what you wanna use is HCG. I will do a 5,000 unit blast of HCG about once every 10-12 weeks or so, I use iot for 2 weeks at 2,500 iu per week, then do it again 10-12 weeks later

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      • Yeah, i doubt i will get normal levels “all natural” ever.

        Thanks. I got HCG but have been reluctant to use it without proper indications (as everyone does cycles with pct… and almost noone is constantly in HRT).
        Will do as you say, and hope for the best.

        Thanks !

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  88. Hi John,

    I’m currently taking 100mg weekly of TRT, I’m 6’2, 210 lbs. It’s causing a bit of confusion of what to do for PCT for the following:

    Deca durabolan/ – 350mg per week for week 1-8
    Testosterone Enanthate – 500mg per week for for 12 weeks
    Dianabol/ – 30mg per day, six days per week for week 6-10

    Should I start any form of PCT on week 14 with addition of the TRT? Also, should I not take the TRT at all during the blast and then restart during the PCT/14 week time frame? All the help would be greatly appreciated, the TRT factor really throws a wrench in the equation with all the research I’ve been trying to do.

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    • Forgot to mention, second 2 weeks of Dbol I’m pumping to 60, any help or suggestions with this compound would be greatly appreciated!

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    • No PCT here if you’re on TRT, just think of it more as estrogen control. In your case you’ll be wanting to take enough aromatase inhibitor to control estrogen during cycle and then adjust when going to TRT. I myself wouldn’t “ADD in TRT” dosages on the cycle, just resume TRT when it’s all said and done. Also, if you need to go in for blood-work at the Doc then you’ll definitely want to wait awhile because the half lives from that test at 500mg/wk is going to take time to unroll.

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  89. Hey im doing my first cycle with EQ/Sus 1cc of each twice a week. Im 200lbs 5.11. Do you reccomend HCG? Im not sure about my source? Also what are the benefits of RED PCT Product that you advertise. If you have any tips for me i would to hear it. Thanks in advance

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    • HCG will only help and you can use it during cycle or after, however it only has a shelf life of 30 days after it’s mixed, therefore a lot of guys don’t bother with it until the cycle is over, then they will blast usually 2500iu/wk for a couple weeks. If using during the cycle then you want to do 250iu 2x/wk for 10 wks. When using it like this you won’t need it post cycle and the idea of using it during it keep LH hormone in check by continuing to stimulate the pituitary gland to produce it despite being on cycle. When running it like this you want to preload 3,000 iu worth of your vial in pins and stick them in the freezer, or preload the pins you’ll use for the intitial 30 days and stick the remainder of the vial in the freezer…it preserves it beyond the 30 day shelf life

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  90. Hey joe.. I’ve been using Deca and test for four cycles.. right now I’m doing 1600ml deca and 1000 test a week, I want to make the jump to tren, what do you think a above average dosage is for a me.. I am at 5’11” 212lbs with body fat,around 10.. I’ve done multiple cycles of deca and tren to get where I’m at, I feel good just want more size thanks

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    • I’ve found that when I used to run tren that 300mg/wk was good enough, 600/wk was too much for me and I felt ill on it and seemed like my prostate was inflamed or something. I’d constantly feel the urge to piss and then stand over the toilet and couldn’t go

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        • acetate, way I used to use it was on Mon/Wed/Fri, most tren e is dosed at 250mg, if using the tren e then you want to go about 3/4cc twice/wk, or 1cc every 5 days or so. Most guys I know prefer the ren a over tren enanthate though

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  91. Hey, John. I would need a protocol for my first cycle Test. Cypionat with Deca. 500gm of test ew and deca 300gm ew for 10 weeks. And should i take any aromatase inhibitor along with test and deca for the next 10 weeks? And what would be better for my pct? Thank you

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    • AI is only going to keep you tighter during that cycle and keep estro down and water off. If diet is on point then this shouldn’t be a big issue anyways. For PCT I’d go with HCG, arimistane, and clomid if you can get those. HCG at 2500iu x 2 wks directly after your cycle, start clomid at 50mg/day for 20 days 2 wks after your last shot, run adex at 1/2mg per day during HCG use, drop to 1/2 every other day from wks 2 (when you start clomid) through wks 4 (So using AI total of 6 wks post cycle. HCG can make some people gyno prone itself, which is why I advise upping the AI during HCG usage

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  92. Hi John, I will try to keep it simple.

    I’m 25 and this is the first time i used Sust. I’ve taken it for 14 weeks now 2x vials a week and today was my last shot. I have not taken anything else during the cycle. I have noticed a size change in the testicles. When should i start my PCT with nolva/clomid/HCG.. How much and what intervals. . Can you please help me plan this one .

    Thank you

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  93. Hey I have a quick question about your recommendation on what to take for pct .im about to start a test c and dbol cycle I keep reading different options but what would u recommend I’m somewhat new to this I’ve done test c with no pct but I only did it for about 5 to 6 weeks to see how my body would react I didn’t get any side effects but now that I want to start stacking I wanna make sure I’m doing it safely I would greatly appreciate your feedback

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      • how much of the clomid would u recommend taking and I kno this is a dumb question but would u take the red pct during or after cycle because I read u can do both but what would be on the safe side

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  94. Dear John,

    Excellent article and one of the best i’ve found

    I have a question regarding PCT. My first cycle i’m planning on running for 8 weeks

    Week 1-8 – 0.5mls/week of a blend (Testostrone-Decanoate 270mg/ml, Testosterone-Phenylpropionate 130mg/ml, Nandrolone Decanoate 130mg/ml & Nandrolone Phenylpropionate 70mg/ml)

    Weeks 4-8 – Anavar 25mg/day

    I’ve been training for some time and my diet is clean. I have liver protection and appropriate supplements on hand.

    I am 31, 6’3″ and 238Ibs.

    I have read a lot of confusing articles and a fantastic book by WL “Anabolics” hasn’t really cleared things up for me.

    I feel like this is a conservative cycle and was going to see how I go without an AI. In addition, I was going to use Nolvadex only for PCT?

    What regimen of Nolva would you suggest? Do you think I need ‘in cycle’ and/or ‘post cycle’ hCG?

    Your wisdom would be hugely appreciated

    Best wishes

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    • HCG is good and I always advise using it if you can get it. As soon as the cycle is over with begin HCG right away at 1250iu 2x per week for 2 weeks. So 2500 iu a week for 2 wks total, you want to start stimulating your leutinizing hormone early and get your FSH firing as well. AS for nolvadex, it’s superior over an AI in stimulating these hormones as well, this is where nolva or tamox actually prevails over an AI. Yes, your cycle is light and you don’t wanna overdo PCT. If it were myself, I’d be hitting the nolva at 30/20/20 and begin as soon as cycle ends. IF YOU ARENT USING HCG, then wait 2 wks to begin nolva and run same pattern of 30/20/20 (as in 30mg day wk 1, 20/wk 2, 20 wk/3)
      The reason behind adding it right away if using HCG is to combat possible estrogen overproduction from using HCG to stimulate test, which is highly unlikely for most people but very possible for some. Hopefully this helps -JD

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  95. hi mate im 50 years old and have been on
    1ml test,eod
    1ml primo eod fow 8wk. i got 5000 ius of hcg and clomid and nova in hand.
    how should i be taking them
    regards

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        • What I mean is I sell an ebook that has all of this information in it in much more detail than I explain here. It would be a smart purchase if you need to educate yourself beyond everything I provide on the site

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        • but to answer your question real quick, begin using HCG 2x/wk at 1250 iu per shot, right after cycle ends, use nolva at 20mg/day alongside HCG, continue with nolva at 20mg day for another 2 wks past end of HCG, and as soon as HCG is done with, begin clomid at 50mg/day x 3 wks straight

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  96. Looking for a good intermediate tren cycle, from what I researched you go d-bol, low test and 50mg of tren every other day. Does that sound right? Do I need AI during? I’ve been training for about 4 years 5’11” 212lbs, I have completed 3 cycles of deca/test and have been thru my off time. Thanks

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  97. Great article. Made a lot of sense but then I questioned my cycle.

    I’m running a 10week cycle of SuperTest250 at 500mg/wk (250mg on Monday and Thurs)

    I’m 29 been training since I was 12, first cycle (because I’m just looking for a little extra push)

    I only planned on Nolvadex for PCT because I considered it a really light cycle. Do you agree with that or do you also recommend some type of AI or HCG?

    Thanks

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    • You’re always better off having HCG if you can get it. As for an AI, it’s superior over nolvadex for blocking estrogen but inferior for stimulating LH and FSH on recovery. Therefore I recommend taking both of them, the AI during HCG usage and the nolvadex for the 2-3 weeks following

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  98. Hey bro, I am just starting the 4th week of Test E 800mg – Deca 400mg p/w..
    After the first week I developed a hard pea size lump under my nipple and started taking aromasin @ 25mg Eod which I should of started taking after first pin. So to combat the gyno I’ve been taking 40mg of nolvadex Ed for about 7 days now. The gyno hasn’t gotten any bigger and my nipples are not tender, but I really want to melt the lump. Any ideas??

    Thanks heaps

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  99. Hello john
    Bravo on responding to all the comments.

    I am going on a 10 week cycle (first cycle), starting with 250 enanthate for the first 2 weeks then 500 for 6 weeks then back down to 250 again for the last 2 weeks.
    Do you think I need pct on that dosage? I have novaldex, aromasin and hcg.

    Thanks a bunch

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    • yes, hcg starting at 2500iu per week x 2 shots of 1250 iu evenly spaced out during week ie; mon/thurs, do that for 2 weeks immediately after cycle (day after your last shot) use 12.5mg daily of aromasyn during HCG usage, then aftr the 2 wks of HCg drop to 1/2mg eod of aromasyn. Run your nolvadex at 20mg/day beginning after HCG ends, and I’d run that about 2 wks alongside the aromasyn. so all in all, its a 4 week PCT, 2 wks of HCG and then 2 wks of continued aromasyn along with nolva. I don’t see a reason to run anything more aggressive than that

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  100. I have run a long cycle of test and eq. About 24 weeks but at lower dosages. 200mg/wk of test and 400/mg wk of eq. For pct, I have nolva on hand and some hcg. I’m very sensitive to gyno with test so I have to run an ai every cycle. I’ve heard that hcg can create some heavy estrogen rebounds. Is this true? And if so, should I stick to just nolva for pct? And at what doseages would you recommend? Thanks for all the comprehensive information.

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    • yes, HCG can do that. Ideally you’d want an AI such as arimadex or arimastane (Red-PCT) during HCG use because it’ll prevent the formation of estrogen and lower any exiting levels, nolvadex just keeps estrogen from binding but does not prevent estrogen. However nolva is proven to help stimulate LH and FSH levels so what I’d do is use either arimadex or Red-PCT (3 caps/day of Red PCT) during HCG use, then as soon as HCG ends I’d continue on the AI and throw in nolva at 10mg/day for an additional 3 weeks

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      • Ok… I have letro on hand for an ai but have taken it throughout my cycle. As you can imagine after 24 weeks, it has taken a tole on my joints. Even at small doseages- .10 mg Ed- Would I be mistaken in thinking that the nolva would allow some estrogen through but not allow a big rebound? I guess what I’m saying is that I really want to stay off this ai if possible. Could I get away with not using the hcg at all and just using nolva at a higher dose? I believe that the letro causes me to plateau and then loose strength during my cycle and cause joint and muscle pain.

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        • yes, I’d use nolvadex at 40/30/20/20 for 4 wks. You’re not wrong in what you’re thinking, I get it. The letro is killing the joints and possibly the sex drive, you want it back but still don’t wanna risk gyno. I get it. Nolva will prevent estrogen from binding but allow some to form to at least healthy levels (if you’re levels now are too low, which sounds like they are)

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  101. Hey John quick question:

    If im blasting hcg 1250iu twice a week for 2 weeks and then after 2 weeks start clomid & run for 3 weeks

    do I need to use any nolva if I have aromasin for pct. or use both

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      • Thanks for the Reply John,, Even tho it isn’t necessary to use it…. if I have it on hand would it be better for recovery or not needed at all.

        CLOMID HCG AROMASIN only for PCT

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        • It’s not necessary with HCG in the mix of things, all nova does is stimulate you’re LH and FSH levels for PCT, but since you’re already using HCG for that it’s not needed, and you already have the AI covered to keep conversion from happening. You’re good man, no reason to go overboard

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  102. Hi joe, i want to run test 200mg every week, winny 20mg every day for about 8 week, please suggest me dosages of Hcg, nolv, clomid. and one more quaestion should in add arimidex in my pct also or i take within my steriod cycle(dosages mention please, if i need).

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  103. Hi John,

    I apologize in advance for the super beginner question and lack of experience on my part. But hey, we all were new at one point,right?
    So, I have Testoviron which I plan on taking 1cc, 2x a week. , Arimidex .5 and I’m in the process of getting pre-mixed HCG.
    I currently have above “normal” levels for someone my age, 40 yrs . 320 is what my Dr. says.
    So, how would you recommend from start to finish, PCT and everything in between utilizing what I have? I want to try at least a cycle and then depending on how difficult it is, maybe continue? I don’t want to ruin my body to where I’m dependent on TRT or have the negative effects of what I’ve read and herd from others whom haven’t done it right. Like I said. This is my 1st time and I have read so much my head hurts and makes me 2nd guess doing it.
    I know I’m not giving you very much to go on, but any and all advice would be greatly appreciated!!

    Thanks for helping all of us out!. ZD

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  104. Hi John, Im 28 year old male and I’m going to start my first cycle. I’ll be taking 300mg per week test e for 10 weeks, just to be sensible for my first time. I have no clue what PCT to go for as this seems to be a moderate cycle. Would you recommend Nolva or Clomid? Also, should I have an AI on hand or is this not necessary?

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    • order some arimadex, I doubt you’ll need it while on but its there in case you do. It will also work for PCT so even if you don’t need it while on you’ll use it anyways for PCT. Too many people crash their estrogen by being paranoid and over-doing AI’s/anti e’s

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  105. Hi John Doe are you still about?

    Quick question PLEASE!

    Never done any steroids before but today i started a cycle of Anavar and test e.

    I plan to run both for 10 weeks together

    Var 50mg per day split into 2 (morning and evening)
    Test e 250ml tuesday, test e 250ml friday

    I have tamoxifen 20mg and clomiphene 50mg,

    The question is when do i start taking both of these PCT’s? Please help as ive already started ahaha

    Thanks

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  106. Hi John, Could I get some advice please? I finish my cycle of Test E 400mg/12 weeks in one week. I have HCG and clomid for pct, could you please tell me how i should go about taking them? Thanks.

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    • 2500iu/wk HCG x 2 weeks, beginning 2 weeks after cycle ends, 100mg/day clomid for 10 days, then 50mg/day clomid an additional 10 days, again beginning 2 weeks after last injection

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      • Thank you brother, appreciate the reply greatly.

        One more question if you don’t mind, the guy who I got it from is an experienced bodybuilder/steroid user and he advised me to start using both hcg and clomid together, immediately, why would he suggest that?

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  107. Hi,

    I have a question about PCT and when everything starts and finishes more than dosages. I have HCG, Nolvadex, Clomid, and Aromasin on hand.

    After a short ester of Tren A and Test Prop, Do you start the HCG immediately on the 3rd day after pinnining for PCT? Continue the HCG for 2 weeks, then start Clomid and Nolvadex?

    Or do you overlap the HCG with Clomid and Nolvadex?

    I am more interested in learning the process than the dosages, I have gotten a lot of info on dosages but not when to stop start the compounds.

    Really appreciate your time,

    Thanks,

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    • Depends on esters used but in your case I would begin quickly (as you say, 3rd day after pinning) and overlapping the Clomid and hcg is fine) so much of pct is dependant on amount used, duration, and experience

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