Out of anything that people could ask me, the topic I get asked about the most is PCT.
PCT = post cycle therapy.
Questions on this topic are usually the hardest for me to answer because PCT all depends on 3 factors:
- Age and genetics
- Length of cycle and your individual recovery ability
- What you used and how much you’ve used
It’s extremely difficult to give one generalized recovery protocol for everybody, but there are certain guidelines that are best to follow when going into recovery mode, and if you stay within these parameters you’ll most likely be fine.
The first thing I will address here is age and number of cycles.
A guy in his late teens of early-mid 20’s who has never cycled before will usually recover very fast. This is where it’s better to use post cycle therapy but not get crazy with 3-4 different compounds for recovery.
What I’ve found is the recovery agents themselves tend to cause more problems than the actual PCT products cause.
Some of the depression, lethargy, lack of concentration and ill feelings during recovery are actually from the recovery drugs more so than low testosterone!
So I’ve always lived by the rule of JUST ENOUGH TO HELP RECOVER BUT NOT OVERKILL!
The reality of things is that back in the Golden era of bodybuilding nobody knew about PCT and it virtually didn’t exist!
Guys relied on genetics and their own bodies recovery ability alone to recover from steroid cycles. They used moderate amounts of the drugs and gynecomastia (aka “bitch tits”) was not as prevalent as it is today.
With that being said, I’m not here to tell you we haven’t made advances in recovery and proactive measures to combat side effects on cycle, I’m simply stating that guys didn’t know about PCT back then and still used steroid cycles effectively.
But just because things were the way they were back in the day doesn’t mean it’s not a good idea to take a more proactive measure to recover nowadays.
It’s also a good idea to be proactive DURING cycle so recovery is easier and side effects are kept at bay or from ever occurring in the first place.
The second topic I will talk about is length of cycles and individual recovery ability.
Guys are cycling more now and cycles are lasting longer and longer.
So where one guy who ran testosterone alone for just 8 weeks could be fine with just Clomid and/or Nolvadex, another guy who ran a 15 week cycle may need a more aggressive recovery, such as but not limited to HCG, Arimadex, Aromasyn, Nolvadex, Prami, Letrozole, Cabergoline, Clomid, or the newer version of Arimadex “Arimistane”
In my 20 years of bodybuilding I have never needed to use Prami, Letrozole, or Cabergoline, so I don’t have experience with them. Therefore I do not talk about those because I personally do not have experience with them.
What I am proficient in would be Clomid, HCG, Nolvadex, Aromasyn, Arimidex, and most recently Arimistane.
Now, I have found the best method of cycling for me is to keep it to the “under 1,000 mg per week total rule.” This is a good approach that will help keep you safer and will certainly make recovery easier.
If I was not on testosterone replacement therapy then I’d limit cycles to 10-12 weeks long MAX.
First off, there is no point in staying on cycle when gains begin to diminish after the first 6-8 weeks anyways, and second off why make recovery harder on yourself than it needs to be?
CLOMID FOR PCT
The first compound to include in any recovery for someone who wants to stay off cycle in order to get their testosterone levels back to normal would be Clomid.
Clomid works to restore testicular function and testosterone production because it’s a female hormone. When the male body detects an exogenous source of testosterone it sends the signal to the testes to stop producing their own testosterone.
Likewise, when discontinuing cycle and introducing Clomid it sends the male body the signal to begin producing its own testosterone again. For a guy planning to come off and recover Clomid is always a wise idea to use.
HCG FOR PCT
The second compound for recovery would be HCG.
HCG (Human Chorionic Gonadotropin) works to restore the testicular axis and is the fastest way to do so. However this product is injectable and sometimes hard for people to come by.
In the event you do not use HCG then the next best option would be Clomid combined with an aromatase inhibitor such as Arimadex OR Aromasyn OR Arimistane.
Depending on how much you’ve used and how long the cycle was, I would consider using Nolvadex along with one of the aromatase inhibitors for recovery.
If you are using HCG then you definitely want to use an aromatase inhibitor DURING HCG use because HCG itself can cause gyno to those prone to it.
NOLVADEX FOR PCT
Nolvadex is what is known as an estrogen receptor modulator.
What this means is that Nolvadex works to prevent estrogen from binding to receptor sites in the breast site but IT DOES NOT PREVENT FORMATION OF ESTROGEN.
An aromatase inhibitor is needed to prevent formation of excessive estrogen to begin with. However, from my own research it’s shown that Nolvadex works very well at stimulating the HPTA axis during recovery.
So basically Nolva is a thing of the past during cycle but still highly effective for recovery post cycle.
This is why some guys will use Nolvadex for PCT, either ran alongside Clomid or by itself.
Some guys do not like the way Clomid makes them feel (or do not have access to it) so they’ll just use Nolvadex or a combination of Nolvadex with an aromatase inhibitor during PCT.
AROMATASE INHIBITORS FOR PCT
Aromasyn, Arimadex, and Arimistane are all considered aromatase inhibitors, which means that these products are beneficial to use at the right amounts during certain cycles and also during recovery to keep estrogen rebound from happening.
“Estrogen rebound” is when testosterone levels begin to drop and estrogen levels want to rise.
The aromatase inhibitors will do two things #1- keep estrogen at bay during cycle #2- prevent estrogen from rising too high post cycle (when you want the bodies own test levels to rise up in the right ratio against estrogen).
Recovery isn’t limited to just steroid cycles, but also prohormone cycles and Ostarine (SARMS) cycles.
However out of all 3 compounds Ostarine cycles are what you’ll most likely recover the quickest from.
Often times prohormone cycle recovery can be harsher than steroid cycle recovery.
While steroid cycles and prohormone cycles may take a longer time to recover from or a more aggressive approach to recovery, Ostarine cycles will not require as aggressive of an approach unless higher amounts were used, and I see no reason to ever go beyond 50 mg/day of Ostarine.
In 90% of case scenarios, an aromatase inhibitor is all that’s needed for recovery from an Ostarine cycle that was run 8 weeks or less.
BEST PCT FOR OSTARINE CYCLE
You can use either Aromasyn, Arimadex, or Arimistane on its own for recovery from an Ostarine run.
I used to use Aromasyn and Arimadex but I’ve since discovered that Arimistane is just as effective.
The reason I know it’s highly effective is because I was taking it at the same time I was using Arimadex and it literally knocked my estrogen levels into the dirt within a few days!
From that point I discontinued Arimadex and stayed on Arimistane to see if the results would be the same as Arimadex and they were the same!
Using Arimistane feels no different to me than Arimadex or Aromasyn.
You can pick whatever one you want, I’m just telling you that they all work but Arimistane is over the counter and easily accessible.
IT’S BEST TO KNOW WHAT YOUR TESTOSTERONE LEVELS ARE AT BEFORE CYCLING AGAIN!
I’d be a liar to come on here and tell you that I’ve always had blood work done, but the truth of the matter is I never had a hormone panel done until I knew I needed testosterone replacement therapy.
I had cycled steroids on and off for 9 years before I ever had a hormone panel done. But just because this was the road I walked doesn’t mean it’s the smartest move.
If you have a way to get blood work done before running any sort of cycle that increases or decreases your own bodies testosterone levels then I’d highly recommend it. I’d especially recommend it for guys who want to have children one day.
I was still able to have kids after cycling on and off for 9 years, but it took coming off everything for about 6 months to get my wife pregnant. So just because you’ve ran some cycles here and there doesn’t mean you’re down and out forever.
Arnold Schwarzenegger has 4 children if that provides any sort of hope for you!
If you have no other means to blood work then go here: Get bloodwork at Private MD labs.
I hope this article helps explain PCT in a little more detail. This is a common topic in bodybuilding and the most commonly questioned topic I receive from readers.
Take time to educate yourself on anything you use before starting it, and if you landed on this website then you’re already off to a great start!
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72 thoughts on “The Importance of PCT (Post Cycle Therapy)”
Thanks for the advice, as ever, John.
Oh and Arnold has more than 4 remember ;) He remained potent for maids and who knows who else!! Champion
yea, true, I forgot abt that
Hi John, awesome articles and very knowledgable person you are.
I’m 32, 183lb, bf 18% and have been training for more than 4years now – just your thoughts on the following “Cycle+PCT 1-16wk”
Pls tweak when you feel necessary:
1-10wk Test e/c @200mg e3.5d (400mg/week) “[email protected]/[email protected]”.
1-3wk Dbol @20mg eod, split dosed @10 every 12hrs, kicking start the Cycle with strength only.
7-10wk Anavar @40mg eod, split dosed @20 every 12hrs – adding Anavar here just for that little extra strength and leaning a bit.
Choice of Ancillaries during Cycle:
1-10wk Arimidex @0.5 eod to keep body a bit lean – and prevention of any Gyno symptoms.
1-10wk Finasteride @1mg ed “hairloss prevention”
1-10wk Dutasteride @2.5mg ed
1-10wk body protection supplements “liver, kidney, heart” just to keep internal organs intact.
2-10wk HCG @250iu e3.5d (500iu/week) “[email protected]/[email protected]”.
5-10wk Accutane @10mg if Acne increases.
During 11-12wk gap between Cycle and PCT, will take the following:
11-12wk Aromasyn @12.5 eod
11-12wk Test Booster supplementation OTC.
11-12wk Finasteride @1mg ed “hairloss prevention”
11-12wk Dutasteride @2.5mg ed
11-12wk body protection supplements “liver, kidney, heart” just to keep internal organs intact.
PCT 13-16wk the following:
13wk 50mg ed Clomid
13wk 40mg ed Nolvadex
13wk 7.5mg eod Aromasyn
13-16wk body protection supplements “liver, kidney, heart” just to keep internal organs intact
After this, l’ll take a break about 15wks before starting the next cycle “same as above”.
Looks fine but I would go everyday on orals
Ohh sorry, for the orals that was a typo – it should’ve been ed :)
Thanks john – you’re always a help.
Hello sir…:) i used d-bol for almost 5 weeks as my first cycle….as i got more lower back pain and was feeling uncomfortable with that i stopped the cycle.After that i used tribulus terrestris supplement and other natural ayurvedic sperm boosting supplements for 3 weeks.My libido and ejaculation is fine.I saw no side effects after this PCT.But i don know sir, is it my mind or any problem with my body my testicles seem to be a bit smaller than before.My question is should i use clomid or any medication for my problem…?I din use clomid because some said its not necessary as it was a failed cylce and was not too long. waiting for u advice sir
yea, steroids can shrink your testicles a little. They’ll shrink to a certain point and then it’s like they just stay there, it’s a little bit but nothing catastrophic. I can’t see 5 wks of just dbol making them that bad. Just wait it out, or you could run a little HCG to help blow your nuts back up a bit
Hi John. What would you suggest for PCT after an Osta Shred and Androvar cycle?
I’m currently running an Osta Shred and Anafuse cutting cycle. Thinking of using Androvar the next time I cut.
It would be my first PH cycle and I’d have Clomid, Nolva and Aromasin available plus whatever OTC products might be needed.
3 caps per day of Red-PCT for 30 days bro, should have you covered on those supplements as a solid PCT. You don’t need to go overkill
So in your article, are you saying that those on TRT can go on longer cycles? Cos I’m planning a cycle shortly (I’m also on TRT) and I was just gonna go with 350mg/week 10 weeks + HCG (that’s the max quantity I can get a hold of unfortunately)…
yea, if you’re on TRT recovery isn’t an issue, however over time your body will stop reacting the same way to the cycle since you’re used to it, so it’s recommended to still cut back to normal TRT in between cycles, but yes cycles can be ran out longer
Thanks John, appreciate your advice a lot.
So would you say that a 10 wk cycle @ 350mg/week is not optimal for someone on TRT? I’ve only got limited supplies of extra T to do the cycle with, and I don’t want to waste it on a cycle that isn’t worth doing.
FYI my TRT dose is 175mg/week test E + HCG + Anastrozole.
350mg/wk is a cycle, not TRT
Do you feel Arimistane can be sufficient enough for PCT following a 36 y/o first timers 12 wk pyramid cycle of test E, with peak of 600mg/wk.?
I would try to order clomid as well, if you cannot get tabs then order it as a liquid research chem, just google “liquid clomid”
What pct would you use for a 1-andro and epi-andro stack? The retailers say that an otc pct product would do fine but would yoh use a serm and ai?
I’d use arimistane for 4 wks post cycle. Look into REd PCT, 3 capsules a day for 30 days
John I have ran in a problem and really need your help.
I started a cycle of 250 mg Testosterone with 300 mg deca.kick-start with androl.
( deca and testenan are both pharma grade)
I am in 10 th week now
Gains are good. I gained about 13-14 kgs( sone fat,) but strength gains are good.
Now the thing is from the 5 th week I started to notice that my sex drive was diminishing slightly.
Now I am in 11 week and while my sex drive is present it’s not as powerful as when I ran 8 week only testosterone cycle last time.
I can have sex only 2 times with my girl in a night and weekly frequency is declining.
Is this because of deca ?
Cause in my first cycle I was literally sex craved even after the cycle.
Dude, you’re bitching about sex twice a night? How old are you?
I am 28
I’ve been looking for this question everywhere and I can’t seem to find it.
I know the longer you are on cycle the tougher recovering your natural testosterone production is, but why is it that if you stay on too long you may never get it back? Do your Leydig cells die off? Or why does this happen? Like in your case?
My friend has been on cycle for over a year and is now trying to get off, but after months trying to recover he went to his doctor which prescribed TRT. Can he never regain his natural production no matter how long he stays off?
it’s called hypogonadism, it’s the absence of natural hormone for so long that it just doesn’t return anymore. It’s like flipping a light switch on and off so many times and then the light gets burnt out
Hey John I have a question regarding an ostarine cycle that I’m going to start on the 10th. I’ve read your entire article on your bio and came across a couple questions, stated in the article, as a younger individual (18) I’d have the ability to recover a lot faster from a cycle correct? If so, would running ostarine 25mg everyday for 6 weeks require a PCT? Or should I just allow my body to recover on its own? Also when would I see suppression? 4th week of continued usage everyday? I’ve done tons of research but would ultimately like your opinion man! Would be really appreciated thanks John! The product I purchased is http://m.ebay.com/itm/Hardcore-Formulations-Ostarin-MK-2866-Super-Osta-Ostapure-Osta-Pro-Ostarine-/281971179427?nav=SEARCH do you think this is a good source?
I don’t know about that particular source, but at age 18 you will bounce back fast. BUT YES, you still want to do a PCT. You’re far better off using some form of PCT than not using it, because your test levels will get driven down for a short duration after your Ostarine cycle
Need your input on next steps.
Just finished week 7 of a planned 8 week run of Ostarine during a cut. Fat macros have been the same since January. Running 2 Osta-Red (25mg) and 1 Red PCT per day.
Everything was great through week 5/6, strength good, libido great, rock hard and could have sex for an hour no issue. Even took one girl for 3rds after 20 minute breaks!
About a week and a half ago noticed some drastic changes. Super tired all of a sudden. Couldn’t stay up at night when I used to. Had to keep taking naps during the day. Feel kinda lethargic. Strength dipping a bit. Appetite strange – not hungry when I used to be starving. But most concerning my libido dropped, not really feeling much blood flow down there or any activity. No korning wood, no semis diring the day, etc. Had sex a couple times and trouble getting hard. When I do I last a few minutes then limp again. Takes a lot of work and floppy action to rventually get to a weak orgasm. Thank god these chics were getting smashed regularly by me before this and know the difference.
Anyway, wondering if this might be mild suppression? No experience so not sure.
Should I finish my last week of Osta-Red or stop?
Should I keep with your recommended PCT for my dosage or increase it? (2 pills of Red PCT per day)
Anything else I should do to get things working again?
Do you need a PCT when running a standalone Masteron / other DHT steroids? What would the complete PCT look like – probably won’t need an AI. Just clomid?
you wouldn;t need to take an AI or SERM while using them since they don’t aromatize and Masteron acts as its own anti estrogen (it was originally intended to help with breast cancer) however you’ll still want to use a PCT. This could be clomid and nolvadex, or HCG and arimadex, or a combination of all of those in amounts respective to what would be optimal based on how much gear you ran. If your plan is to come off and do a full recovery then I would use an aromatase inhibitor as well as clomid, HCG if you can acquire it
I’ve been reading your page for quite a bit and i found the information quite helpful.I’m 24 years old and i’ve been training for 4 years.This year i moved to bodybuilding since its my passion !!! and honestly i didn’t enjoy that much weightlifting ahahha .
I allways got stunned and amazed by pictures of the oldskool bodybuilders such as Reeves,Park,Arnold;Zane,Davis,Mentzer,Nubret,Samir,Olivia and so on and one of my life goals is to reach my best shape that could match’em.I’ve been learning about steroids,thankfully to your page and i know they will not make the road easier altough since i train hard,sometimes i train for 3-4 hours straight and with college and work my body can’t recover.
I’ve accepted steroids as an aid and i also belive that i don’t need alot of steroids,my genetics good and my willpower and work ethics are great so i conclude that i can run the oldskool cycles and benefit quit well from them.I don’t want to build alot of muscle in short gaps,i’m look for high quality muscle in the right places that will provide me an aesthetic an oldskool look.Quality,Definition,Proportion and symetry above all.
I can get acess to multiple 250ml proviron from Bayer and thats it.Will i need pct if i run 250ml/week or 300ml/week ? I’ve read comments on other pages of people running those low dosages compared to the standarts 500-600 with no sides.Whats your opinion John ?
Wishing you all the best
*I made a mistake,i meant Testoviron
I think you’re always better using something for PCT than not using anything. thats not to say you wouldn;t eventually recover with adequate time off by itself and nothing else though….but you’re always better with some form of PCT. At the minimum use REd-PCT at 3 caps a day for 30 days, wouldn’t hurt t use clomid at 50mg/day for 2 days with Red-PCT. Begin your PCT 2 weeks after your last shot of testosterone
Thanks for the reply John !!!
I’m planning to run test e only cycle 250mg/week for 10 weeks and it would be my first cycle. I’m 20 y/o and my PCT plan is here :
2 weeks after my last shot
1-12 days HCG 500iu everyday
13-28 days Nolvadex 40mg everyday
28-43 days Nolvadex 20mg everyday
is this PCT would be sufficient for me ?
yes, but on such low dosing I would lower my nolvadex to 20mg/day from the start, 40/day is too high on that and you’ll risk driving estrogen into the dirt causing more issues
then HCG is OK and I’ll change dosage of the Nolvadex 20mg/day for 30 days instead 40mg. This is better, right ?
I’m planning to run test e only cycle and it would be my first cycle. I’m 21 y/o, looking for some advice on the best dosage/duration and PCT.
Do I start HCG before finishing the cycle? or wait for a couple weeks after, do I start Nolvadex (I’m assuming I’d only need 20mg ed) only after HCG is done? And do I need Clomid with it or is that overkill?
Want to cover all the bases before going ahead.
Thanks for the interesting read!
Hi John I plan on getting on a 8 week cycle with dbol and test. My schedule looks like this:
Dbol at 20mg/day
Test at 250mg/week
Test at 400mg/day
Pct will be clomid and nolvadex for 20 days after the 15 half life period. Does this look ok to you?
When should Nolvadex be started after a long ester cycle? The same time Clomid is? Is it run for 20 days alongside Clomid or is it a separate protocol?
Hey John, Awesome information on this Blog that gives us good ideas of our Post Cycles.
Just need your opinion on this one, I got kind of carried away on my cycle. I’m 28 and this was my second cycle and been on for 24 weeks and starting my PCT in a couple days.
Test Prop 350mg/week
Test Prop 525mg/week
Test E 200mg/week
Tren Ace 300mg/week
Yes I know it was a long, careless cycle that got I got carried away with.
For PCT wise I have HCG, Nolvadex, Clomid, Arimadex, Aromasin, Osatarine, Cardarine.
I was thinking one week from my last Test E shot start
HCG 1000IU’s ED
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
Clomid 50/50/25/25 ED
Nolvadex 40/20/20/10 ED
Osatarine 25/25/12.5/12.5 ED
Any feedback will be great,
looks good to me, but why use Ostarine during the PCT if the goal is to come clean and try to regain natty levels back? Ostarine will only further suppress you
To keep IGF1 levels elevated, cortisol and keep size/strength up. I was aware it suppresses testosterone but that’s why I only kept it at 4 weeks and at low doses. If you think substituting it for Cardarine would be a better option or stack both for a bridge cycle between actual cycles would be better?
Also would it benefit me to run the Aromasin through the my PCT let’s say 12.5mg EOD Weeks 3/4 and 7.5mg Weeks 5/6 alongside Nolva/Clomid?
How to use clomid and nolvdex in morning. Or What time webwant to use
Any time of day on those
what will be my PCT if I take 200mg/week cycle of enanthate and 2tabs/day of danabol for 8 weeks
Hey John, first off thank you for taking your time to give out all this vital information your a walking encyclopedia when it comes to hardcore training. I have a question for you.. I was running some multi-gear cycles about 6 years ago for at least 3 years on and off. Long story short I never ran PCT after my last few cycles and I swear my test levels just aren’t where they should be..while I’m on it neither is the size of my ball sack to be blunt. Would running some PCT now help kick in the bounce back and if so would just Nolva be sufficient? Gear is hard to come by where I’m at now a days. Thanks for your time John!
The best thing you could run is a cycle of HCG and an aromatase inhibitor. Ideally 500iu x 10 wks of HCG or do a short 2 week blast of 2500iu/wk x 2 weeks. If running 10 weeks you’ll need to preload some pins and freeze them if you reconstitute a 5,000iu vial since the shelf life is about 30 days once mixed and freezing prolongs it (you won’t use it all in 30 days) if going 10 wks with it then 2 caps/day Red-PCT x 10 wks or if using adex then 1/2mg 3x/wk adex. The Red-PCT is just as good as the adex though. If you blast HCG for 2 wks then go 3 caps/day Red PCT while using HCG, then back down to 2 caps/day the remaining 8 wks. If adex is used then 1/2mg per day of adex during HCG use, back down to 1/2mg twice/wk for remaining 8 wks.
If you do not use HCG then the next best option to stimulate FSH and LH levels (what brings testicular size back) is to use clomid and nolvadex. I would go 50mg/day clomid for 4 wks, then back down to 50mg 3x/wk clomid remaining 6 wks. Nolva at 10mg/day first 6 wks, 10mg every other day the following 6 wks. You want to use just enough of the PCT drugs to bounce back but not enough to drive E1 and E2 too low. Often times the PCT drugs become more of a culprit than natural recovery which is why I always advise staying more on the conservative side of things. Best of luck- JD
I have been om t bol for 7 days 20-30 mg taken pils every 24 hour , i decided to drop cycle and continue naturally Because i got depressed just by an idea that im doing steroids and they can permanently destroy my natural t , i have been of for over 30 hours . I experienced tiredness and little lower libido but can still Get erection If i watch porn s little harder though since im thinkin all day long that i have fucked up my natural t , i have nolvadex and blackstone labs pct which has tribulus SAW palmetto n acetyl cystene , androst 3,5 -dien-7, 17 dione and alpha hydroxy laxigene and i have A test booster with daa. I done 7-8 months ago t bol cycle of 5 weeks same tabs underground from exactly same package im unsure If caps really contain 20 mg but i dont think is d bol because i didnt gain mu h weight on cycle 7-8 months ago . Im getting some clomid In 5-6 days then ill add. Clomid 25 mg and lower nolva to 10 mgs and run the pct for 3 weeks . Remember i have been on tbol only for A week first three days 20 mg 4th day 30 5th day 20 , 6th day 20 , 7th day 30 and 8th day only 10 , 30+ hours ago . I have been on cut but now im quitting earliwr because im scared that i supressed my hpta during 1 week on t bol , balls seem fine but im not getting morning woods i usually dont Often Get them but i have had some before this cycle . I have been depressed this week and the only one thing im thinking off is that i destroyed my natural t , maybe all this is psychological but i wont really Do any cycle ever again and want to stay natty , what should i Do run nolva first week 20 mg then lower IT to 10 and add clomid together with blacstone pct for 3 weeks , i am really unsure on PCt is IT better to run IT or not since i have been on for such A short time and should i drop cutting or should i continue , please answer me i will appreciate any kind of help i have such anxiety about that i have messed myself up
you’re making it worse on yourself thinking too much. Drop the shit and just move on. You don’t even need a PCT, you were hardly on anything long enough to do shit
I’m 17 and considering your ‘1 test vial cycle’ for my first time. I am only planning to run chlomid alone for my PCT. Would you recommend anything else?
Hello John. I’ve been lifting for 4.5 years naturally and want to start a short cycle of test cyp. I’m also currently bulking. I was able to obtain a 10 ml bottle of test cyp 1000mg/10ml and after doing some research I was planning to do 250mg – 300mg per week and run RED PCT afterwards. I want to keep the cycle short 3-4 weeks since I’m a beginner. What other advice could you give me as far as PCT because I really would like to try a short cycle out but keep my hormonal balance in check in the safiest way possible.
How much PCT should I take a day while cutting?
Just come off a 12 week cycle of test e at 500ml a week what’s the best pct thanks steven
I am 28 years old. I have done cycles in the past in my early 20s about 4-5. At very low dosages such as test 250mg for 8-10 weeks with 20-30mgs of winstrol or any oral or injectable such as tren/eq at 1cc 200mg always did pct of Clomid and Nolvadex for 4 weeks 2 weeks after cycles. Also ran some pro hormones such as tren extreme.
I have normal ranges of testosterone. I haven’t cycled for 6 years since those cycles. I plan on doing a cycle of 400mg test for 10 weeks and 30mg Dianabol for the first four and wait two weeks followed by 100mg Clomid for 3 days then 50mg Clomid for 27 more days. Since I’m older I am paranoid about recovery, I don’t want to be on trt for the rest of my life. If I give myself a year break before I do any other cycle (if I do) would my natural test come back to healthy normal levels again? Should I be fine?
I’m on a mild test E cycle. I’ve just been ordered by work to a 3 day meeting in Europe which would be in the 2nd week of my PCT. I would not want to risk taking my Nolva caps through customs with work colleagues with me.
How bad is a 3 day gap in PCT likely to be?
not bad, yea don’t risk taking anything on a plane. its not worth it, just pick up where you left off when you return -JD
John I’m 34 and have cycled with test c in the past. I want to cycle again for 8 to 12 weeks. I am still having kids in the future. What would you do on a cycle if you had unlimited test c, anastrozole, clomid hcg? My nolvadex is 2 years old and dont have a script anymore doc switched it to anastrozole. The most test c I’ve taken is 3cc 600mg weekly. And I cant get other anabolics legally and I have a good job so wont risk it. Need help with cycle plan and pct. THANKS!!!
Just run test for 8-12 wks, when you come off run your PCT for a few weeks, stay off much longer than on. Typical HCG blast is 2500iu/wk x 2 wks post cycle, anastrozole is 1/2mg/daily during PCT, PCT is different for everyone depending on dosage, time on, age, etc . Best of luck man-JD
Hey john Im 29 years old and ran a cycle of dbol and test i believe 8-12 weeks and never ran a pct cycle. as time goes on ive noticed my mass and size would drop my sex drive and libido also drops and have moderate forms of ed. ive noticed my sperm count and my testicles also took a hit. Ive tried a natural test booster but thats only been helping so much but still noticing those diminishes and it comes and goes. Do you think clomid and novladex would help me get on the right track? And if so where would you recommend i get them from? i just wanna get my t levels back and that drive i use to have. I also got blood work done to check cardiovascular health and blood work shows its as healthy as can be. I didnt test for low t though. Just by all my symptoms im pretty sure thats what it is
my cycle will be always base on Test E 1200 e5d, Deca 600mg e5d, dianabol 150mg ED, not sure with mg on blast cycles on IGF1 insulin and HGH yet…. which mg do u prefer? with igf1 insulin and hgh ?
I never really go over 4 or 5iu a day on HGH and if the igf1 is real then 40-60mcg on training days only
I’m glad I found your site. I’ve been doing some HRT for about a year now… around 1ml/week. I’m 52, weigh 90Kg’s at 8%
I’ve decided to try a 10 week Testosterone course at 2ml/week as you recommended.
I have 2 questions if you would humor me…
1) Once the course is done, how do I return to the previous HRT from a health perspective… Do I go clean for a while, take clomid and then get back onto 1ml a week, perhaps 0.7ml per week? – not sure how to handle this.
2) I’ve started adding Proviron and have read that one should not mix with clomid. Should I wait till after the course is done before taking clomid?!
I would really appreciate your advice
If you are on TRT don’t even waste your time with Clomid. I would run a 2 week blast of HCG every 12 weeks or so or just use HCG on a regular basis at 500iu per week, shot once a week. When cycle is over you simply revert back to regular TRT injections, no time off needed. It makes no sense to crash your test levels after you’ve started TRT
Hey I’ve nearly finished my first 12 week cycle been using about 400mg test cyp and 200 tren e which I stopped using around the 6 week mark,
Would just run nolva and clomid for pct and how much,
And how long would I wait before next cycle as I have deca, test e and dbol waiting for me after I have a little break?
I recommend purchasing Straight from the Underground and reading up on the PCT regimens listed there
Hi JD. I love reading your articles. I’m 38, 6’3, 230 lbs. I will be doing a cycle of 200 Test C, 400 Equipoise and 200 Mast E per week for 12 weeks. How would my PCT look after this? Would I need anything during cycle? Thanks!
you shouldn’t need anything during cycle on just 200mg/wk of test, especially since you are running masteron and that acts as an anti estrogen in itself. You would have to be SUPER GYNO PRONE to need an AI during this cycle. In terms of PCT, wait 2 wks after last test inject and then hit HCG @ 1250iu 2x weekly for 2 weeks. Use .5mg arimadex 3x/wk during the 2 wks of HCG and for the next 2 weeks following, you should be good to go with that. Thanks for reading/following! -JD
Hello John ,
I’m 57 and have been on a TRT of 200 mg. Test C every week for about 6 months. I am considering a 8 week cycle of Test C at 300mg weekly, 300mg of deca dianabol every week. I also have Nolva 20 mg. Tabs . Do I need to take Nolva during or after cycle ? Thanks in advance.
It wouldn’t hurt to take 10mg daily during cycle, it does have some effect on deca and although not as strong as something like cabergoline (which is prolactin antagonist), it can contribute to keeping fluid off and prolactin down to some degree. If you haven’t ran deca then you may not know your sensitivity to a progesterone compound like that. It would be a failsafe
I wanted to start my first cycle.
Test E 400mg w1-10
Anavar 30mg w1-4
Hcg 250iu w2-10
What should I use as a pct for this?
See straight from the underground ebook for all cycle and PCT layouts. Thanks
I have seen all your replies, you have really good knowledge. Pleashelp me. I am doing workouts 2.5 hours daily but haven’t seen much gains as i wanted to run gears. I have decided to run test e 400 mg 1..2 weeks
Week 3..6 test e 400 mg deca 200 mg
Week 7..12 test, deca, anavar 50 mg
Plz let me know the pct and the in-between medication to prevent from gyno and other things
Sure, I’d be happy to help you. I sell an ebook called Straight from the Underground which has years of experience and instructions laid out for you. I also offer a consult option, which gives you an initial hour-long call to speak directly to me and 30 days of Q&A thereafter that call through a messenger app on the phone. Please see books and/or coaching for additional information. Thanks for following! -JD